First off here is a short video of me performing https://youtu.be/_iyS4FezU2k
I use amp simulators and often foot percussion playing classic blues. I’m looking for a system bigger than my Everse 8. I live in Florida so almost every venue is open air or just plain outside. The Evolve 30 or 50 are very enticing as I love the inputs and app but curious about other ones like the Yamaha Stagepas 1k. The big thing other than inputs is the magnetic aspect of the Evolve and the wood construction is huge too. Thoughts?
Should I be considering something outside of the EV Evolve series?
Re: Should I be considering something outside of the EV Evolve series?
The K8.2s are very capable. I’d be very tempted.
And the QSC 16 is a very capable mixer. The lack of physical faders puts some people off but it’s been the mixer my old band has been using happily for many years.
Add a sub (or two) and you have a PA that can cope with a full band.
But you may also need a monitor as having two K8.2s positioned behind the mic so you can hear yourself is likely to give feedback issues. The line-array plus sub arrangement like the Stagepas 1k, EV Evolve or Bose L1 systems are much better for that.
But the maximum SPL from them is never as great as the better driver+horn boxes can provide. The Stagepas 1k is 126dB SPL, The Evolve 50 is 127dB SPL, a K8.2 is 128dB.
But two K8.2s will add up to another 3dB for 131dB in total, depending on how they are pointing. That’s significantly louder than the Stagepas 1k, and they won’t be pushed as hard as the Yamaha to achieve the same sound level.
But the Stagepas 1k and the Evolve have their integral sub, so bass response will be better unless you add a sub to the K8.2s, (though they do kick out a surprising amount of bass for a small speaker).
For some comparison speakers, the Yamaha DXR8 puts out 130dB SPL peak, DXR10 132dB peak and the K10.2 130dB peak. The Yamahas tend to be slightly louder, whilst the QSCs may have the slightly better sound quality - but they are both very good.
Given the Everse 8 pushes out 121dB SPL, the K8.2s would go a lot louder. The Yamaha 1k at 126dB is a bit louder than the Everse 8, but you might not notice much of a difference. Once you get to a 6dB difference you should notice a lot more power.
But the line array systems are known for needing less power for better coverage. I’ve never had the chance to do a comparison to find out if that’s really true. It may be applicable inside, with a tighter vertical pattern from the line array, but outside, with no ceiling reflections to worry about, it may not.
And the QSC 16 is a very capable mixer. The lack of physical faders puts some people off but it’s been the mixer my old band has been using happily for many years.
Add a sub (or two) and you have a PA that can cope with a full band.
But you may also need a monitor as having two K8.2s positioned behind the mic so you can hear yourself is likely to give feedback issues. The line-array plus sub arrangement like the Stagepas 1k, EV Evolve or Bose L1 systems are much better for that.
But the maximum SPL from them is never as great as the better driver+horn boxes can provide. The Stagepas 1k is 126dB SPL, The Evolve 50 is 127dB SPL, a K8.2 is 128dB.
But two K8.2s will add up to another 3dB for 131dB in total, depending on how they are pointing. That’s significantly louder than the Stagepas 1k, and they won’t be pushed as hard as the Yamaha to achieve the same sound level.
But the Stagepas 1k and the Evolve have their integral sub, so bass response will be better unless you add a sub to the K8.2s, (though they do kick out a surprising amount of bass for a small speaker).
For some comparison speakers, the Yamaha DXR8 puts out 130dB SPL peak, DXR10 132dB peak and the K10.2 130dB peak. The Yamahas tend to be slightly louder, whilst the QSCs may have the slightly better sound quality - but they are both very good.
Given the Everse 8 pushes out 121dB SPL, the K8.2s would go a lot louder. The Yamaha 1k at 126dB is a bit louder than the Everse 8, but you might not notice much of a difference. Once you get to a 6dB difference you should notice a lot more power.
But the line array systems are known for needing less power for better coverage. I’ve never had the chance to do a comparison to find out if that’s really true. It may be applicable inside, with a tighter vertical pattern from the line array, but outside, with no ceiling reflections to worry about, it may not.
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Re: Should I be considering something outside of the EV Evolve series?
Trade for the system and use the Everse for a monitor!
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- resistorman
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Re: Should I be considering something outside of the EV Evolve series?
That’s why that deal seems legit. Scalability. One evolve 30 could possibly not be loud enough and two K8s although “less convenient” would be somewhat acting as back up and around the same weight as an evolve 50.
Re: Should I be considering something outside of the EV Evolve series?
The Evolve 30 is 123dB SPL max, so just a touch louder than the 121dB SPL Everse 8. If the Everse 8 isn't going to cut it, then neither will an Evolve 30.
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Re: Should I be considering something outside of the EV Evolve series?
That's what I'd do
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Re: Should I be considering something outside of the EV Evolve series?
Well the specs say 121. From everyone I’ve spoken to who actually have both, they tell me it’s very obvious how much more volume you get between these speakers. I think the Everse specs are slightly deceiving overall. Even with recorded music I get maybe 103 dbs total. But I’ll probably go for an ev 50m. Honestly I don’t want to deal with all the extra gear, I often do two gigs a day with some gigs being for drums and it’s just too much gear to pack up and get to another gig fast.
Re: Should I be considering something outside of the EV Evolve series?
On the EV website the Evolve 30 spec says 123dBSPL, 2 dB is barely noticeable, if those figures are reliable the only explanation for a significant increase in volume is that the narrower vertical dispersion means they project more energy further down the room so there might be higher perceived volume at the back but similar in the front row.
The only thing you can do is give it a try so definitely buy from somebody who will allow you to return it if it doesn't work for you.
The only thing you can do is give it a try so definitely buy from somebody who will allow you to return it if it doesn't work for you.
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Re: Should I be considering something outside of the EV Evolve series?
Unless you have easy access to a well-stocked PA store with a wide range of manufacturers equipment, you can only really go by the figures as an indication.
As Sam says, I expect the dispersion pattern has a lot to do with it. The more controlled pattern of the line array styles means the sound level fall off is gentler than the basic inverse-square pattern of a one-box speaker, at least outside with minimal reflections. Not linear, but somewhere in-between. The difference between the surface of an expanding sphere and an expanding cylinder.
Although the sub’s output on a line-array system should be roughly inverse-square as there’s no line-array element to that.
Which in theory means the bass will become weaker in comparison to the mids and treble as you move away from a line-array unit compared to the one-box style. But whether you get that in practice I just don’t know.
As Sam says, I expect the dispersion pattern has a lot to do with it. The more controlled pattern of the line array styles means the sound level fall off is gentler than the basic inverse-square pattern of a one-box speaker, at least outside with minimal reflections. Not linear, but somewhere in-between. The difference between the surface of an expanding sphere and an expanding cylinder.
Although the sub’s output on a line-array system should be roughly inverse-square as there’s no line-array element to that.
Which in theory means the bass will become weaker in comparison to the mids and treble as you move away from a line-array unit compared to the one-box style. But whether you get that in practice I just don’t know.
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Re: Should I be considering something outside of the EV Evolve series?
My only experience of the Evolve 50 has been doing sound for a singer with backing tracks and guest acoustic musicians. One Evolve either side in relatively large spaces, seated audience, speakers on the floor.
Coverage was great across and down the room and audio was clean and full without being bloated. I was surprised by the consistency down the room as previous experience with Maui systems suggested you need some distance between you and the system before it sounds useful and the bass roll-off previously mentioned but neither was a major issue with the Evolve 50. The only onstage monitor was an upright Bose s1 pro which worked to keep everyone connected with the backing tracks. At least one other s1 would have been welcome.
Some of the audience were in the further corners of the room but were catered for well.
I feel confident the FoH system wouldn’t have struggled with a pop or indie-rock band at moderate levels or jazz with excellent dynamic range and clarity, but I suspect that, like all mini-lines I’ve encountered when you hit the limits it’s very obvious.
Coverage was great across and down the room and audio was clean and full without being bloated. I was surprised by the consistency down the room as previous experience with Maui systems suggested you need some distance between you and the system before it sounds useful and the bass roll-off previously mentioned but neither was a major issue with the Evolve 50. The only onstage monitor was an upright Bose s1 pro which worked to keep everyone connected with the backing tracks. At least one other s1 would have been welcome.
Some of the audience were in the further corners of the room but were catered for well.
I feel confident the FoH system wouldn’t have struggled with a pop or indie-rock band at moderate levels or jazz with excellent dynamic range and clarity, but I suspect that, like all mini-lines I’ve encountered when you hit the limits it’s very obvious.
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