Hardware compressors around £400

[Random Guitarist]

The only time you need compression going in . . .

It's not just about need though is it? there's what we like, and what is convenient and easy. SOS's own review of the comp-3a said:

'"I did have the Waves and UA plug-in equivalents, so I compared it with those. I found that, using the software versions, I was able to get very close to the same settings. In terms of the gain reduction, the plug-ins were probably a tiny bit faster acting — just a hint more grabby. But I much preferred the tonal contribution of GAP’s Comp-3A. But the biggest difference was that with the software it just took me that much longer to arrive at a sound I was happy with, and that alone makes hardware like this appealing."

So long as the OP isn't blowing a big chunk of their disposable income on the hopes of a magic bullet then maybe the H/W is the right thing. But I'd still suggest trying plugins first.

[CS70]

For me the thing it gives me over software compressors is it seems to just sound 'right' without a lot of fussing over settings. A bit like digital modelling and amps, the modeller can sound great, but the amp gets there more easily.

I agree, and I think it's the knobs. It's just faster and more intuitive to rotate physical knobs while playing or the sound is decaying than reach for the mouse, locate the virtual knob and do the same. You can sweep thru sounds more quickly and find what you like faster.

[Scouser]

I have only really used software compression and do find it can take lots tweaking and when you are doing that with a mouse ! So yeh knobs seems a better quicker more intuitive option.

Also I thought that hardware compressors might bring more in terms of tonal contribution, than their software equivalents ?

I didn’t realise what James says

“The only time you need compression going in is when you are doing a tape based session where you need to limit the dynamic range “

I thought I might use it to better control dynamic performances going in ? Now I’m confused, it doesn’t take much.

[The Elf]

I thought I might use it to better control dynamic performances going in?

This is precisely not the reason to do it! Control the dynamics after recording when you have the luxury of hindsight!

[muzines]

I have only really used software compression and do find it can take lots tweaking and when you are doing that with a mouse ! So yeh knobs seems a better quicker more intuitive option.

There are may ways to control plugins that don't require a mouse.

Also I thought that hardware compressors might bring more in terms of tonal contribution, than their software equivalents ?

Not really.

I thought I might use it to better control dynamic performances going in ? Now I’m confused, it doesn’t take much.

Input stages, convertors and 24-bit recording are so good these days, you don't need to limit/compress on the way in to optimise signal levels. If it takes you a while to find a software compressor setting on your acoustic guitar that works, *take that time* and then set up a preset - now you can instantly recall your default compressor setting easily without much extra effort.

If you're looking for flavour, rather than compression, I'm not sure a £400 compressor will magically make your guitar tracks any better - and having printed it to the track, you wouldn't be able to undo it, so you'd end up spending *more* time twiddling the compressor settings as whatever settings you make will be critical and permanent in your recording.

Personally, I can think of better ways of spending £400. Maybe a controller to let you control your plugins with knobs, rather than a mouse, might let you get more mileage out of your plugins..?

[CS70]

I have only really used software compression and do find it can take lots tweaking and when you are doing that with a mouse ! So yeh knobs seems a better quicker more intuitive option.

Absolutely!

Also I thought that hardware compressors might bring more in terms of tonal contribution, than their software equivalents ?

Not particularly. I have tested my hardware MC77 and the plugin and they are very much interchangeable. Same with the the optical compressor in the LA610 and the UAD equivalent.

“The only time you need compression going in is when you are doing a tape based session where you need to limit the dynamic range “

I thought I might use it to better control dynamic performances going in ? Now I’m confused, it doesn’t take much.

It's what I was referring to above. With 24 bits (say 20-21 effective) you have a gigantic dynamic range: nobody can sing or play so loud to exceed it - the only thing you can do is to set up the initial gain level too high (but that's just a mistake).

So if you set your level at an average of -18, -20 dBFS, you can shout or drum at your heart's content and you will not ever go near 0dBFS, while the system noise floor will still be way below anything audible (the ambient noise will likely be much higher).

Tape had a lower dynamic range, so even setting up the initial gain "right", you may risk to overshoot.. hence, compression in input in the old days. Or with 16 bits digital recording, for a similar (not identical) reason.

[muzines]

(If this was another popular audio-related forum, we'd have absolutely talked you up to needing to buy a £1200+ boutique compressor by now.)

It's one of the many reasons why this place is so great. People recognise that you don't automatically solve ill-defined problems by simply buying more gear.

[CS70]

(If this was another popular audio-related forum, we'd have absolutely talked you up to needing to buy a £1200+ boutique compressor by now.)

It's one of the many reasons why this place is so great. People recognise that you don't automatically solve ill-defined problems by simply buying more gear.

Damn, don't tell me!!

I have had that 47 in my shopping cart for a week now in the hope that someone else buys it and I'm slowly convincing myself I absolutely need it to make even better records!

[muzines]

Look, if your heart is set on it, who am I to talk you out of it..?

[Arpangel]

Initially you said you’d like a little colour, then you mentioned transparency?
My advice is don’t waste your money, £400 isn’t going to get you much over using a plug-in, if you absolutely must have hardware, something cheap, like the FMR RNC, and dare I say it a Behringer Composer (it is transparent) will do the job, they are hardware, they have knobs, and give you all the expected joy those things bring.
IMO, unless you’re going to spend thousands on something classic that you are very familiar with and know without a doubt the sonic benefits it can bring to you, I wouldn’t spend anything, there are some good software compressors that come with most DAW's that will sound great, and cost you nothing.

[jaminem]

Alternative (and apparently not as popular) opinion

Benefits of compressing on the way in:
- Getting a 'sound' you like - usually by driving the compressor - yes you can do that afterwards, and that's fine, but committing to something on the way in, does sometimes effect the way you work in a positive way by avoiding the 'so many many plugin in options not sure which to chose and takes loads of time to do it' creative blocker
- As others have said - you need to know what you're doing, but you ain't gonna know what you're doing unless you practice - so benefit 2 is it helps you learn how to compress on the way in!
- Controlling singers with piss poor mic technique and big transients - yes its better for them to learn good mic technique but I'm not giving them a lesson in that if they're in full flow and I just need to capture it.
- Bonus benefit HW compressors are more fun to use, generally sound a bit better (!!! opinion !!) and are more intuitive to use.

I'd echo Elf - The KT-76 or the KT-2A are good start, or if you have 500 series id build a JLM audio LA500 - really intuitive, forgiving great sounding opto compressor

[jaminem]

....or the Golden Age COMP 3A