Windows 11, will be launched by October 2021

[uselessoldman]

Installed Windows 11 and up and running running everything working as usual, Liquid 56 over firewire and Behringer X32. Watch out for old motherboards it likes to have secure boot v2 or else you have to copy the install.wim into a WIndows 10 boot

[Mike Stranks]

News story here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57598554

[adrian_k]

Installed Windows 11 and up and running running everything working as usual, Liquid 56 over firewire and Behringer X32. Watch out for old motherboards it likes to have secure boot v2 or else you have to copy the install.wim into a WIndows 10 boot

How old is old? I don’t have anything newer than 10 years all running quite nicely thank you. I am not PC techy I just want things to work and preferably stay the same.

I am filled with dread.

[Mike Stranks]

Hmmm....

My PC is 8 years old and came from Scan...

The Win 11 compatibility-checker tell me that it's not compatible with Windows 11...

[Rwkitch]

There's a good (I think) summary here:

https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/24/ ... indows_11/

[Exalted Wombat]

Hmmm....

My PC is 8 years old and came from Scan...

The Win 11 compatibility-checker tell me that it's not compatible with Windows 11...

Mine is similar vintage and source.

I wonder if it came with the same inexpensive passively-cooled graphics card as mine did? It became an obstacle to ongoing Windows updates. A newer-model replacement may be all you need. About £30.

[S.Crow]

'Your PC will need UEFI Secure Boot firmware and a TPM 2.0 security chipset to run it. And you'll need an internet connection and a Microsoft account during setup of Windows 11 Home.'

The TPM module will be a stumbling block for many systems I suspect.
My 3 year old system with a Z370 chipset lacks one and it was a £100 motherboard so not ultra budget.
But it does have a socket to accept a TPM module so others will also be in the same boat.

The requirements for setting up the Home edition will annoy many and hopefully the Pro edition is less demanding.

[N i g e l]

'...My 3 year old system with a Z370 chipset lacks one and it was a £100 motherboard so not ultra budget.
But it does have a socket to accept a TPM module so others will also be in the same boat.

I'm ASROCK 'ing a Z390M pro4 motherboard which has a TPM socket but maybe its time to lock it down and take it off the web for music use. Then again the modules seem to be ~£12, good value for a free OS upgrade.
It was ages ago I had to buy Windows 7, how are MS making their money these days ?

[adrian_k]

Hmmm....

My PC is 8 years old and came from Scan...

The Win 11 compatibility-checker tell me that it's not compatible with Windows 11...

So mine won’t be either, which I don’t care about as long as there is a decent support horizon for W10.

[adrian_k]

Redmond blithely suggests you "consider purchasing a new PC" if your system doesn't meet the requirements.

Well if I’ve got to buy new hardware just to keep what I’ve got running, I might as well look at the whole thing and consider going Mac/Logic. I used to worry about being able to reload old projects, but in 21 years I’ve needed to do it just once.

[Mike Stranks]

Redmond blithely suggests you "consider purchasing a new PC" if your system doesn't meet the requirements.

Well if I’ve got to buy new hardware just to keep what I’ve got running, I might as well look at the whole thing and consider going Mac/Logic. I used to worry about being able to reload old projects, but in 21 years I’ve needed to do it just once.

Yup!

Win10 active support scheduled until 14 October 2025...

But I'm now the same as you... is it time for a change anyway?... I'm doing a lot of video work now and this PC has 'just good enough' graphics as part of the motherboard... I'd like better graphics capability anyway.

I ran a benchmark last night... graphics performance very poor, processor still very good. In fairness to Scan this was purchased as an audio PC so these figures are just what should be expected.

When to 'jump'.... and to what... ?

[RichardT]

You’ll face similar issues on Mac - old machines will not run new operating systems. Not that I’m discouraging you from trying The Mac world - I prefer it!

[Luke W]

I've got very used to scrolling straight past threads regarding Windows, and keep forgetting that I do now actually have a PC...

Win10 active support scheduled until 14 October 2025...

Looks like I can probably just leave things alone for a while then.

[Exalted Wombat]

But I'm now the same as you... is it time for a change anyway?... I'm doing a lot of video work now and this PC has 'just good enough' graphics as part of the motherboard... I'd like better graphics capability anyway.

I ran a benchmark last night... graphics performance very poor, processor still very good.

Well, you can always swap in a more powerful graphics card. If you don't mind the noise from the fan.

But will it actually increase your video productivity?

[uselessoldman]

When to 'jump'.... and to what... ?

Taking into account the current chip shortages together with hiked prices, estimates are it might be 18 to 24 months before the market balances out. With specific regards to GPUs you have to go back to something like a RX570 6Gb to get a decent price for performance something like a Vega 64 which I have and is 50% faster currently costs x5 the price when it was previously only x1.5 (£240) and as for those new super fast cards, just forget it !!!! I also have the RX570 6Gb a good card if not spectacular and sells for about the same price I paid a couple of years back, £150.

I would be looking to upgrade a couple of computers MOBO CPU, Rams and GPU, would have cost about £800 each now closer to £1100 so in a couple of years when we have USB4, DDR5 and sensible prices I could save about £500. I would consider buying another Vega64 to replace my RX

The secure boot option is I think not something everyone will want to sign up for and its an install prerequisite not actually part of the OS specifically, my HP Z600 is running Windows 11 fine without it.

[Mike Stranks]

But I'm now the same as you... is it time for a change anyway?... I'm doing a lot of video work now and this PC has 'just good enough' graphics as part of the motherboard... I'd like better graphics capability anyway.

I ran a benchmark last night... graphics performance very poor, processor still very good.

Well, you can always swap in a more powerful graphics card. If you don't mind the noise from the fan.

But will it actually increase your video productivity?

Nope! But it would enable me to get a better assessment of what I'm working with for picture adjustments... on my PC the pictures look very 'bleugh'... on the TV, reading a USB stick, they're superb.

[S.Crow]

MS have updated the Health Check Tool which can also check for W11 compatibility.
So if you downloaded it a few days ago, that version unhelpfully didn’t tell you why it failed compatibility whereas the new one does:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11

The TPM 2.0 requirement is more nuanced as seemingly newer systems can use the on-chip CPU version rather than requiring a separate TPM chip.
This requires a fairly modern CPU and it needs to be enabled in the BIOS; it might be disabled by default.
For Intel chips, they need to support Intel’s Trusted Execution Technology which is disabled in certain lower priced models.
So if you have an i5-8400 which doesn’t support it, you can upgrade to an i7-8700 or i5-9400 and gain this feature.
Do check that your motherboard/system support this feature in the BIOS and if you are going to upgrade the CPU, check that your system supports it.
You might need to update the BIOS first, which is usually a good idea anyway due to all the security problems Intel have had which required firmware changes to mitigate them.

AMD have something similar I believe but I don’t know the details.

[Mike Stranks]

Thanks for that...

Yup! Mine fails on 'Secure Boot'... I've already explored the possibility of it being activated via the BIOS, but have not delved too deep yet.... I'm on AMD...

[S.Crow]

I have heard even more contradictory info on W11 support, so take my previous advice with a pinch of salt, a slice of lime and a chug of tequila.

Below is the (current) list of supported CPUs.
Whether they all work without requiring a TPM 2.0 module I have no idea.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors?ranMID=46128&ranEAID=hL3Qp0zRBOc&ranSiteID=hL3Qp0zRBOc-96.mv_w1guEqyUu5SpxA8g&epi=hL3Qp0zRBOc-96.mv_w1guEqyUu5SpxA8g&irgwc=1&OCID=AID2000142_aff_7794_1243925&tduid=%28ir__quujk6vq1ckfqijhowf2dxsd0e2xuqu6o1v6t3py00%29%287794%29%281243925%29%28hL3Qp0zRBOc-96.mv_w1guEqyUu5SpxA8g%29%28%29&irclickid=_quujk6vq1ckfqijhowf2dxsd0e2xuqu6o1v6t3py00&ranMID=46128&ranEAID=hL3Qp0zRBOc&ranSiteID=hL3Qp0zRBOc-wLVHQV4KauI6caG__TW5fA&epi=hL3Qp0zRBOc-wLVHQV4KauI6caG__TW5fA&irgwc=1&OCID=AID2000142_aff_7794_1243925&tduid=%28ir__0eh9nagzjskfqxc9kk0sohz3132xuqr3ywxyryjy00%29%287794%29%281243925%29%28hL3Qp0zRBOc-wLVHQV4KauI6caG__TW5fA%29%28%29&irclickid=_0eh9nagzjskfqxc9kk0sohz3132xuqr3ywxyryjy00&ranMID=46128&ranEAID=hL3Qp0zRBOc&ranSiteID=hL3Qp0zRBOc-uTJWLJvGlKD38783.7l53w&epi=hL3Qp0zRBOc-uTJWLJvGlKD38783.7l53w&irgwc=1&OCID=AID2000142_aff_7794_1243925&tduid=%28ir__cir2hy3ijokfqgznkk0sohz3wu2xuqrjqdjxocow00%29%287794%29%281243925%29%28hL3Qp0zRBOc-uTJWLJvGlKD38783.7l53w%29%28%29&irclickid=_cir2hy3ijokfqgznkk0sohz3wu2xuqrjqdjxocow00

[adrian_k]

I have heard even more contradictory info on W11 support, so take my previous advice with a pinch of salt, a slice of lime and a chug of tequila.

Done. Can I have some more advice please?