Dear Mods/Masters of the Universe ... wondering if a link to Robin Vincent's excellent article (referenced in the OP) might be well-placed as a sticky at least for a while?
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I hope this article might be useful to some people here. I put a lot of time into getting the information right and speaking to the right people at Microsoft about it. Solid information can be hard to find so hopefully this is helpful to the conversation.
Cheers
Robin
Since nobody seems to have said it (but I'm sure everyone thinks it ): well done, very good article and it is actually convincing me to give W10 a try (on my new build, not on the laptop).
I don't think I know how to do it. What drivers do I need to make sure about? Interface, check. Video monitor will be taken care of automatically? What else? Will plugins that run on Win 7 run on Win 10? I hate this stuff cuz I don't understand it, but I think I'm going to do it.
"My previous experience of ill-informed, glory-hungry man-babies rioting against the authorities suggests this conversation is going nowhere, but I’m glad it’s happening here."
I now have W10 on the "second best" music PC. Bit of a long winded process but no glitches.
A day or so ago I downloaded (on a W7 machine!) the W10 drivers for my NI KA6 and burned them to a DVD. Finding "Computer" in 10 was tricky but then I found the DVD drive and ran the drivers.
No sweat, just did the bizz and on connecting the AI it was found and worked straight off the bat. I then left it running all day on Radio 3 and it never missed a beat. After about 3 hours there was a "ClangWhooshe" sort of sound. I found "Banner Sounds" and turned them all off. No more clang.
I find ten bloody awful to be frank, almost nothing is the same or where it was in 7 and this PC will hardly ever be used except for curiosity. I shall certainly resist putting what someone descried as "Windows 7 with a tablet bolted on" on any of my other computers.
Hi guys! I wanted to start a new thread but not sure of how to do that so apologies for tramping on anyone's feet!
There have been many discussions regarding Win 10 upgrades and possible future problems with Win 10 drivers supporting "Or not" hardware "Old and new" etc...etc... Indeed I had many problems with my Line 6 UX2 when I tried Win 7 on a new hard drive on my old Asus P4P800 as the UX2 would simply not work properly! The Asus P4 MB not good enough to run sataII drive it seemed or run Win 7 without seriously slowing down just about everything making it a total pain to use, so I have relegated that computer to stay on XP which runs flawlessly-ish!
One of the questions I want to ask you guys is: - Is there a non bloated version of Win 10 available??
I only want to use my computer as a DAW music making device, of course all software has to have an OS but I really don't want all the usual bloat and resource using windows crap that normally go's with an windows install!
Also recently I have been trying to investigate and source all the relevant information for building a new Audio work station that will run my favored DAW Sonar X3 and any USB audio interface that will work with windows!? I will of course be trying to use my UX2, however! As I said above it wasn't until I started to research all the new hardware that's available today that I am now well and truly perplexed! I have tried in vane to find any relevant information regarding the strengths or weaknesses of the now it seems favored for gaming Z99 or Z170 motherboards let alone the different Quad or Octa CPU's! I am now in a state of total stagnation computer build wise as I don't know which way to turn Help!!
Now I am only the merest dabbler here but...That Line 6 has W7 (and W10) drivers listed so I suspect there is some other reason you could not get it to work with 7. Others here will surely have some ideas.
As well as this esteemed emporium I have infested at least two other recording forums for many years and cannot recall anyone having a problem with that AI and W7.That is not to say there has never BEEN a problem, just that it is not at all common AFAIK.
As for a new build? You will surely have advice from Olympus in the form of Pete (Scan) and Martin but it seems to this mere mortal that there are very few problems involved these days? I would look for a MOBO with plenty of USB 3 and especially USB 3.1 capability, i5 or i7 CPU, SSD main HDD and a 2TB or bigger spinner for backup. Much depends on what you need/want to do? Easy to go way overboard when all you have is a mic and a guitar!
Win 10 does install a lot of stuff by default, though most of it is pretty easy to uninstall again. It's also easier than ever to decide what gets loaded on start-up, so you only have running what you really need to.
Wonks wrote:Win 10 does install a lot of stuff by default, though most of it is pretty easy to uninstall again. It's also easier than ever to decide what gets loaded on start-up, so you only have running what you really need to.
Out of interest, what have you uninstalled from your Windows 10 setup? Did it make any perceptable difference?
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You don't have to write songs. The world doesn't want you to write songs. It would probably prefer it if you didn't. So write songs if you want to. Otherwise, dont bore us with beefing about it. Go fishing instead.
Some of the apps like maps, news, finance etc. On a fast machine like mine, I don't really think it makes much difference. But the less there is, the less there is to start doing stuff like updating in the background.
Do the apps on the "dark side" auto-run then? I thought they were simple run-when-asked-for program.
I agree, the downside of Windows 10 is all this auto-update malarky. Though I'm not sure it's much different to what responsible Windows 7/8 users did anyway.
Posts:5822Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:00 amLocation: London UK
You don't have to write songs. The world doesn't want you to write songs. It would probably prefer it if you didn't. So write songs if you want to. Otherwise, dont bore us with beefing about it. Go fishing instead.
Quick question (ok, longwinded question):
I've heard that there is a 30-day limit for rolling back to Win7/8 - does this mean that if I install Win10 over my Win7 install and then do a clean Win10 install, and after say, 6 weeks, decide it's not for me and want to go back to Win7/8, I cannot do so, even by doing a clean install with my original (and legal) Win7/8 dvd?
No, it means that a Windows.old folder is retained on your computer for 30 days, enabling an in-place roll-back. Obviously you'll also have a full system image of the computer, pre-update, as part of your routine backup strategy.
Posts:5822Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:00 amLocation: London UK
You don't have to write songs. The world doesn't want you to write songs. It would probably prefer it if you didn't. So write songs if you want to. Otherwise, dont bore us with beefing about it. Go fishing instead.
Just an aside. The Register has published an article on the official way to stop W10 being installed on your PC if you do not want it. The article is here.
So ... if I wanted W10, after imaging is the best thing just to start clicking Yes on the big blue box that keeps popping up when I power on the computer?
Or should I somehow do a "fresh install" instead of going through their update process?
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Home of the The SLUM Tapes (Shoulda Left Un-Mixed), mangled using Cubase 12 Pro; i5-4570 3.2GHz,16GB RAM; W10 64 bit; Steinberg UR28M interface; Juno DS88; UAD2 Solo/Native; Revoice Pro
Accepted wisdom dictates that you should do a fresh install - which is a good and healthy thing to do from time to time anyway. However, ive now upgraded 3 different machines with no ill effects.
In order to do a fresh install you'll need to go through the upgrade procedure so that your system gets recognised for the free upgrade - so you can always try it and see before doing the fresh install.
I can't say it's the 'best', but the update is what I've done on all my PCs and it's been painless. All my software still in place and nothing to fix, short of the mousepad settings on my laptop.
ef37a wrote:The Post Ghost has struck again!
I was sure I asked if the factory recovery partition on my HP laptop would allow a return to W7 at any time if I went ahead and installed the free W10?
Dave.
The Windows 10 installer will back up your Win 7 install and revert back to it (with all your settings and programs intact) whether you have a recovery partition or not.
Really? Not the impressive I have got. So, I have ABSOLUTLY NOTHING TO FEAR INSTALLING W10 ON THIS LAPPY?
Dave.
Image first!
+99!
If there were ever 2 words that have profound impact on life, it is those 2 words 'Image First' Yes of course there are a few other 2 word phrases equally profound but computing wise 'IF' is surely the most important
Having upgraded to W10 (I IF'd!!), and played around with the settings a bit, I just have one question. The computer is 97% DAW, 3% general surfing machine btw. I'm wondering whether I should check the box "Defer Updates".
Seems like a reasonable thing to do - helps the user bypasses the inevitable dodgy upgrades while MS works on a hot fixes to rectify (thereby avoiding potential DAW downtime), while still getting security updates as they are released.
Posts:4201Joined: Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:00 amLocation: San Antonio, TX USA
Home of the The SLUM Tapes (Shoulda Left Un-Mixed), mangled using Cubase 12 Pro; i5-4570 3.2GHz,16GB RAM; W10 64 bit; Steinberg UR28M interface; Juno DS88; UAD2 Solo/Native; Revoice Pro
... wondering if a link to Robin Vincent's excellent article (referenced in the OP) might be well-placed as a sticky at least for a while?
Help!!
