Edirol/Roland USB legacy driver hack for Windows 10

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Edirol/Roland USB legacy driver hack for Windows 10

Post by Tímo »

Recently purchased a new PC (thanks 3XS) and migrated to Win 10.

Sadly Edirol/Roland do not officially support Win 10 with some of their older USB devices (likely due to costly driver certification?), so was unable to install my previously trusty Edirol UM-3EX 3-in/out MIDI interface. It attempts to install them, gets halfway through, then suddenly states the drivers aren't compatible and automatically launches the uninstall process.

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Other Edirol/Roland products potentially affected:

Audio interfaces:
Cakewalk FA-66 [limited]
EDIROL FA-66 [limited]
FA-101
UA-1EX
UA-25


Midi interfaces:
UM-1/1EX/1S/1SX/1X
UM-2/2C/2E/2EX
UM-3EX
UM-550
UM-880


Midi controller keyboards:
A-500S
PC-50
PCR-30
PCR-50
PCR-80
PCR-M1
PCR-M30
PCR-M50
PCR-M80
PCR-300
PCR-500
PCR-800


V-Studio:
V-STUDIO 20
V-STUDIO 700 CONSOLE
V-STUDIO 700 I/O


DTMP:
MA-1EX
SD-20
SD-80
SD-90


Synthesizers:
Fantom-G6
Fantom-G7
Fantom-G8
SonicCell


Guitar & Bass:
DR-880 [Limited]
eBand JS-8
GT-Pro


Attempting to install with compatibility settings, admin privileges, etc. also fail to work.

However there is a workaround that people have used with V-Drums and it worked for my UM-3EX too, although it takes a little editing and bypassing certification. It's worth a try before you junk or ebay the unit which I was about to do.

Without further ado:

• Remove the Edirol/Roland USB device from your PC, if connected.
• Download the Windows 8.1 drivers for your Edirol/Roland device (UM-3EX in my case) from the Edirol/Roland website.
• Extract the contents its own new folder (um3ex_w81d_v101, in this case).
• Search the folder and sub-folders for an *.inf file. In my case there were two, one in each of the 32- and 64-bit folders: um3ex_w81d_v101/Files/64bit/Files/RDIF1058.INF and um3ex_w81d_v101/Files/32bit/Files/RDIF1058.INF
• Open these *.inf file(s) using Notepad.
• Search within the *.inf files (ctrl+f) for the text string: "[Roland.NTamd64.6.2]" (not including the speech marks) and take a look at the lines below it. Mine showed:

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[Roland.NTamd64.6.2]
;; Windows8
%RDID0058DeviceDesc%=RDID0058Install, USB\VID_0582&PID_009A ; UM-3EX

[Roland.NTamd64.7]
;; not supported
• The above lines of code show the drivers would be installed by Windows 8.x, but not for versions after it, even if they are compatible. To get it to install for Windows 10 you will need to copy the line of code that was used for [Roland.NTamd64.6.2] and paste it into the [Roland.NTamd64.7] section, overwriting where it says ";; not supported".

So you should now have something similar below, where your Edirol/Roland device is duplicated for both the Roland.NTamd64.6.2 and Roland.NTamd64.7 portions:

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[Roland.NTamd64.6.2]
;; Windows8
%RDID0058DeviceDesc%=RDID0058Install, USB\VID_0582&PID_009A ; UM-3EX

[Roland.NTamd64.7]
%RDID0058DeviceDesc%=RDID0058Install, USB\VID_0582&PID_009A ; UM-3EX
• Save the *.inf files (overwrite them).

Given the drivers have now effectively been 'tampered' with, Windows won't automatically allow them to be executed as a security precaution. Therefore you will need to install them without driver signature enforcement.

To do this (before going further you may need to write these down as you'll be restarting your PC and may not know what to click)....

• Click Windows Start, and type "Change advanced start-up options" and execute it. This will take you to the Windows 10 Settings Recovery options.
• On the right, where it says Advanced Startup, choose "Restart Now"
• Once it takes you to the blue menu screen, click: "Troubleshoot", followed by "Advanced Settings" > "Startup Settings" > "Restart".
• Once PC has restarted, press the number 7 to 'Disable driver signature enforcement'.
• Finally, navigate to where you extracted and modified the drivers and install the new modified drivers. Follow any on-screen prompts and insert the Edirol/Roland USB device when requested to complete the installation.
• Restart PC after completion (this will automatically take you out of 'disable driver signature' mode).

Done.

Hope this may help others in the same predicament as it helped me. Full kudos to intouch1 from the vdrums forum: https://www.vdrums.com/forum/advanced/t ... ver-solved

~Timo
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Re: Edirol/Roland USB legacy driver hack for Windows 10

Post by caicai »

Thank you for the clear and concise instructions, much appreciated!

Sadly this does *NOT work for the expensive gem that is the um-550 (& um- 880), which is handy as it may convice those holding on to them - to sell them at last and let the price drop from the rest of us! (Please?). ( Guilty lie smile face )

* disclaimer - where I say not i actually mean; it appears to works perfectly.

Thank you!!
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Post by ConcertinaChap »

Thanks for that. I've got a UA-25 which I've been using in class-compliant mode with my Surface but that has meant I can't use 24 bit or MIDI. I'll give this a whirl.

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Post by Promedia »

Hi guys,

I just picked up an Edirol M-80 but (stupidly) forgot to check the support page, Roland stopped supporting the keyboard after 8.1. The hack worked like a charm, if fact my Fantom X8 doesn't seem to like Win 10 64, I might give that a try too!!

Thanks again!

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Post by saresu »

Dear Timo

You are the best my friend!

Ive been using my PCR 500 for years since Win7 and now thanks to you Im still using it with Win10. The hardware is still great and Ill keep using it till it dies.

Thank you so much.

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Re: Edirol/Roland USB legacy driver hack for Windows 10

Post by EddieTemple »

I used an almost identical method to get my 16 year old Roland XV5050 module to work with Win 10, so definitely worth a try with any older Roland USB hardware.
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Post by SveinJo »

For Edirol PC-50 it turned out to be easy (after a lot of hacking and cursing). Detach the USB cable, turn off the power, move the "Advanced Driver" switch to off, reconnect and turn on the power again. That's it!
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Post by greenfox4075 »

I have found this hack to work for my Edirol UM-1X, but find that after a Windows update the driver has been removed. I think this is now the third time.

Has anyone else noticed this?
Is there any way to stop Windows removing unsigned drivers when an update occurs?
I don't use my MIDI interface very often, but when I do I am usually out somewhere and just want it all to work when I plug it in.

The hardware is still in good condition, and once the driver is properly set up it works like a charm. Why should I need to buy a new device, or go through this convoluted process over and over again?
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Re: Edirol/Roland USB legacy driver hack for Windows 10

Post by Tímo »

greenfox4075 wrote:I have found this hack to work for my Edirol UM-1X, but find that after a Windows update the driver has been removed. I think this is now the third time.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Yep, I noticed it with the Anniversary Update, and Creators Updates.

I think it's because such Windows updates are entire OS refreshes, rather than bolt-ons, and it afterwards attempts to redownload and install new drivers rather than re-use the ones that are previously installed.

The Edirol device seemingly wont be recognised after such an OS update. The LED on my UM-3EX didn't even light up showing it was connected, regardless of which USB port I tried, looking for all the world like it was a dead device.

After the OS update I removed the device, uninstalled the Edirol drivers (they were still seemingly installed), restarted the PC, then followed the same instructions on this page again to reinstall the device, and everything's lit up and working again. Luckily the methodology hasn't changed with each update at all.

I've saved my own modified drivers to a compressed file (WinZip) to save downloading and editing them from the internet each time, though. Cuts one headache out at least.
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Post by Sebadams »

Thanks so much for going to the trouble of posting this and explaining it so clearly!! Brilliant advice and worked perfectly for my Edirol PCR 500 today :mrgreen: : :clap:
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Post by BillB »

Hi, thought I would flag this one up again, as the latest Windows 10 update caused the (previously hacked ‘W10’) Roland drivers to stop working again on my UM-880/UM-550. By stop working I mean that the USB LED indicators on the 880/550 went out and no data transfer USB>MIDI with Edirol Original Driver setting. They would work in generic USB driver mode, but I read (above/elsewhere) that updates might stop previously working unsigned drivers, and it would be necessary to reinstall.

Followed the advice above again, but would add, you might as well uninstall the ‘old’ drivers first (uninstall EXE is in the driver folders), as the driver installation insists on uninstalling followed directly by reboot, so after a reboot it isn’t in the special mode and won’t install unsigned drivers anyway, might as well get it out of the way first.

The UM-550/880 drivers installed fine, albeit some of the ports now have different names to before, so I have had to re-assign the “friendly names” in Reaper...

There goes another few hours of my life dealing with the consequences of Windows updates
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Post by lupussonic »

Hi Peeps,

I have an Edirol FA 66 that I recently dusted off. Since I have upgraded my computer from an ancient MAC to a spanky Win 10 since I last used the FA 66, I searched the net for cable connectivity solutions as my new computer has a thunderbolt port, no Firewire. I read that it is possible to go from FW400 to TB2, TB2 to TB3 with the right adapters so have forked out on those.

Then read the OP of this thread, with the advanced startup procedure. I am not super savvy about all this, and may be missing something, but I have tried and tried to get it to install about 67,897,00 times with no success.

Is it possible to install this FA 66 with Thunderbolt?

I would assume that if it works with Tb, it should install with Tb as well?

What am I missing?

Many thanks for any help or advice!
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Post by lucasvanlierop »

Hi All, Thanks so much for your suggestions, My Edirol PCR-500 is working now on Windows 10 Pro 64 bit! I'd like to add that uninstalling the existing driver didn't work for me. What did work was explicitly updating the driver by pointing to the (64 bit in my case) folder containing the driver with modified .INF files. In all other attempts Windows kept using an earlier installed version. Good Luck with solving this or similar problem(s) on your machine.
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Post by OneWorld »


Yep, I noticed it with the Anniversary Update, and Creators Updates.

I think it's because such Windows updates are entire OS refreshes, rather than bolt-ons, and it afterwards attempts to redownload and install new drivers rather than re-use the ones that are previously installed.

That was where all my troubles started. UP to that point I was a Win10 evangelist, now I rue the day I ever even came across Win10 and because of it I am seriously considering sleeping with the enemy and going over to Macs. Why Microsoft insist on dumping the equivalent of a landfill on my PC I cannot fathom but I have lost favour with them
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Post by KuotaGrant »

Over the weekend I upgraded my Win 8.1 to Win 10 and had real problems with my V-Studio device.

I have just now updated the driver for Win 8.1 for Roland V-Studio 20 following your exceptionally clear instructions. It worked like a charm and I want to say a huge thank-you for supplying such clear directions.

I was about to reverse the Win 10 install as I did not want to have the device inoperable. It is a great piece of kit and Win 10 benefits were not such that it overcame the need to buy a new guitar digital interface. Again, many, many thanks and Happy New Year 2019 from Canada.
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Post by forumuser665131 »

Worked a treat. I hadn't used the keyboard since upgrading to Windows 10 some months ago, so I wondered what was going on. Many Thanks.

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Post by Motormouth »

You just turned a lonely, handed down chunk of plastic into a music creating tool! I really appreciate your instructions.
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Roland SonicCell - How to install SonicCell drivers on Windows 10
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index ... #msg124309
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Post by marekdziem »

HI there!

I have a Roland u-8 device with drivers installed and functioning on a windows XP laptop and am amped to get going with this nifty device!

But I don't have the cubase controller and tuner applications that shipped with the u-8 originally...

does anybody have these critical install files that would solve my dilemma - PLEASE!!?
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Post by MilindChitnavis »

Thank you so much for the clear and precise instructions!
Solved my problem of not finding a driver for my Edirol FA-101 on Windows 10 OS.
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Post by sonichouse »

I used this hack to get my PCR M30 working on Windows 10, after finding this page:

https://www.roland.com/uk/support/by_pr ... es_drivers

...that says it isn't supported beyond Windows 8.

However, I then happened upon this page:

https://rolandus.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/a ... river-Mode

...that explains how to change the settings of the PCR M30 so that it doesn't need a driver by changing the driver type from "orG" (Original) to "GEn" (Generic).

I don't know if there are similar instructions for other units but hopefully this might help someone.
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Re: Edirol/Roland USB legacy driver hack for Windows 10

Post by BillB »

Hi Sonichouse, welcome to the forum and thank you for making a helpful suggestion.

Many Roland / Edirol USB devices can use either the generic USB driver or the ‘original’ driver mode. Generic will work in most cases, but the original driver will usually provide improved performance or function. In the case of UM-550\880 midi interfaces, original mode allows the use of:
FPT = Fast Processing Technology of MIDI Transmission: This optimizes MIDI data processing by making efficient use of the USB bandwidth according to the amount of MIDI data being transferred.

So if using generic mode, you have to check in the manual to see what you may be losing. It is, at the very least, a reliable fallback, so very good to be reminded that it is there.
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Post by adrian_k »

Thanks guys for this thread :)

Just to add I've changed my PCR-M30 to use the general midi driver as suggested above and have seen no problems so far, latency is fine and all works as I would expect. I am a very light midi user though...
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Post by Wonks »

adrian_k wrote: I am a very light midi user though...

Have you been on a diet? :D
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Definitely eating less pasta .. ;)
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Post by MusicM »

Thanks to this post I now can use my Edirol UA-1EX soundcard on Windows 10. How nice!

However, since that time my desktop PC reboots from time to time on its own. Sometimes twice a week, sometimes things go well for a couple of weeks, I can't really pull an arrow on it. A few weeks ago I received a blue screen with a 'clock watchdog timeout' message. However, this was only once.

Because it started to annoy me a little I removed the Edirol UA-1EX from my PC and connected my amplifier with my on-board sound card. The result: less good sound but no sudden reboots anymore.

Could these reboots be caused by the modified .inf file / use of the Windows 8.1 driver under windows 10?
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Re: Edirol/Roland USB legacy driver hack for Windows 10

Post by Jugo6 »

Hi everyone,

as many thist saved some old Roland / Edirol gear :clap: . my PCR500 but moslty the UA-700 (very nice stuff, loads of possibilities, even outdated. Comes in nicely recording but also playing on Jamulus).

I followed mainly the same procedure, but couldnt run install/setup, so after disabling signature enforcement, I switched on the interface, went to device management, and could repair the error by choosing updating the driver manualy (the directory with the adapted .inf file).

Typical that it seemed to work on advanced mode by a default Windows10 driver. To be noted: larger Windows update tend to destroy the driver, so I had to do the process again this week. But the Edirol UA-700 works again. Thanks and all the others: keep trying!
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Post by BillB »

Jugo, welcome to the SOS forum and thanks for sharing your experience.

MusicM, welcome also!

As to the cause of reboots - who knows with Windows. It would seem that most folks are modifying these drivers without any undue consequences.
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Post by KuotaGrant »

I originally used this hack about 2 years ago and it has worked perfectly until just recently. It doesn't always load on startup or reboot which is weird, I think.

It began happening about 3 weeks ago shortly after a Windows 10 update. Earlier this week there was another update and it remains to be seen but seems to be loading mostly ok now.

If anyone has any ideas why sound drivers inconsistently load OR how to enable them when they have not loaded I am all ears as rebooting is a pain. I tried going to device manager but when it doesn't load it doesn't appear there, which I guess makes sense.

Any thoughts would be appreciated. And, again, thanks a ton to the original poster who gave directions on editing drivers. Otherwise my V20 Studio, which I love, would be garbage.
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Re: Edirol/Roland USB legacy driver hack for Windows 10

Post by ajmiller »

I recently used this tutorial to get my Edirol UA-25 working on Win10.

https://youtu.be/Iqu_sv6Znuk
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