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Post by mellowsouls »

Growl makes me think of pickup placement. P-bass position not so much, but chuck a J/bridge in to the mix and that will get it there. In my opinion. Your “growl” might sound different to my “growl”.
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Bass guitar Growl makes me think of Chris Squire's Rickenbacker sound, which basically drove Yes through the decades. I met someone on the train (years ago) who claimed to know him and his sound, and said it wasn't just down to the Rick, but the whole recording/performance chain, which no doubt is true. Having said that, when I think of other Rick players (e.g. Jean-Jacques Burnell, Helmut Hattler) they do have a raunchy sound.

Faced with your ambition, I would be playing with overdrive (dialled back) and EQ pedals to see what comes of it. Even quite cheap gear can make quite a difference. I spent an evening trying to get my (cheap) Peavey bass to sound 'better' through my (very cheap) Behringer Bass V-Amp, and got a result I was happy with. I have yet to do the same with some better Boss and Korg multi-effects that I have acquired more recently, but I am sure that it is there for the asking.
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BillB wrote:Bass guitar Growl makes me think of Chris Squire's Rickenbacker sound, which basically drove Yes through the decades. I met someone on the train (years ago) who claimed to know him and his sound, and said it wasn't just down to the Rick, but the whole recording/performance chain, which no doubt is true.

I seem to recall Chris Squire saying in an interview that he could get all the same sounds and more from a Fender Jazz but he the Rick had that look.
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Sam Spoons wrote: ...but he the Rick had that look.

Yeah, Ricks just look growly :D

Subject to a pools/lottery win (unlikely as I don't do either) a Rick will probably be one of those unrealised lifelong dreams.
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Well, console yourself with the fact that you can
Sam Spoons wrote:get all the same sounds and more from a Fender Jazz

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Post by blinddrew »

I actually used my new kit bass the other night and got quite a nice growly sound out of it by just running through an Art pre-amp and then putting it though my usual DAW bass template (which splits the signal at 300Hz and adds a cab sim to the top half).
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Post by Fishnish »

BillB wrote:Bass guitar Growl makes me think of Chris Squire's Rickenbacker sound, which basically drove Yes through the decades. I met someone on the train (years ago) who claimed to know him and his sound, and said it wasn't just down to the Rick, but the whole recording/performance chain, which no doubt is true. Having said that, when I think of other Rick players (e.g. Jean-Jacques Burnell, Helmut Hattler) they do have a raunchy sound.

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Squire was an early adopter of the bi amped bass rig. He put a stereo output on his (mono) RM Rick and sent one channel to a Marshall head, with a Maestro fuzz box and a tremolo pedal. Over the years the other side went to various Dual showmans, Sunn Colosseums or SVTs to put the weight beneath the growl.

Squire maintained that on those early 70s Yes records, producer Eddie Offord used a Urei 1176 for the bass tracks, and that was pretty much it.

There's a whole forum dedicated to all things Squire on RickResource, much of it discusses his setups and techniques, with intersting contributions from his long-time tech and various others who knew and worked on his gear. It should be considered required reading for any serious student of that particular flavour of growly bass.

http://www.rickresource.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=20

I also found this article in Sound on Sound a little while back very useful when aiming for these sort of bass sounds. It's written aimed at Cubase users, but the processes described would be easily transferable to most setups

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... ctric-bass
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Thanks, Fishnish, for that little goldmine of information. :clap:
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Post by awjoe »

BillB wrote: I spent an evening trying to get my (cheap) Peavey bass to sound 'better' through my (very cheap) Behringer Bass V-Amp, and got a result I was happy with.

Did you get anywhere near that delicious bass on the Yes tune?
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Fishnish wrote:
Squire was an early adopter of the bi amped bass rig. He put a stereo output on his (mono) RM Rick and sent one channel to a Marshall head, with a Maestro fuzz box and a tremolo pedal. Over the years the other side went to various Dual showmans, Sunn Colosseums or SVTs to put the weight beneath the growl.

Squire maintained that on those early 70s Yes records, producer Eddie Offord used a Urei 1176 for the bass tracks, and that was pretty much it.

There's a whole forum dedicated to all things Squire on RickResource, much of it discusses his setups and techniques, with intersting contributions from his long-time tech and various others who knew and worked on his gear. It should be considered required reading for any serious student of that particular flavour of growly bass.

http://www.rickresource.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=20

I also found this article in Sound on Sound a little while back very useful when aiming for these sort of bass sounds. It's written aimed at Cubase users, but the processes described would be easily transferable to most setups

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... ctric-bass

Pretty much exactly what I was hoping for. Thanks very much for taking the time.
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Re: Growly Bass

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awjoe wrote:
BillB wrote: I spent an evening trying to get my (cheap) Peavey bass to sound 'better' through my (very cheap) Behringer Bass V-Amp, and got a result I was happy with.

Did you get anywhere near that delicious bass on the Yes tune?

Ha, I could never get anywhere near sounding like the legend that is Chris Squire, but there was a definite improvement in tone compared to ‘clean’.
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