The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

For fans of synths, pianos or keyboard instruments of any sort.

Moderator: Moderators

Locked

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by BillB »

Nice, indicative RRP £110, which is good as BCR2000s have been selling, or at least listed, for silly money in recent years. It also looks like a nicer-shaped box - a simpler flat rectangle. The BCR2000 is a clunky beast - I say that as an owner.

And it has a display which, although tiny, can actually tell you something more than 3 digits. It will probably make a lot of people happy and hey, they are at least cloning one of their own products!
BillB
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1928 Joined: Mon Apr 07, 2003 12:00 am Location: East Yorkshire

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by Drew Stephenson »

Don't care about all the sequencer stuff but as a replacement for my occasionally-dodgy BCR it's looking like a suitable price point. Hopefully there'll be a decent midi-mapping tool for it as well.
User avatar
Drew Stephenson
Forum Aficionado
Posts: 24890 Joined: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:00 am Location: York
(The forumuser formerly known as Blinddrew)
Ignore the post count, I have no idea what I'm doing...
https://drewstephenson.bandcamp.com/

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by Hugh Robjohns »

BillB wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:28 pmIt will probably make a lot of people happy and hey, they are at least cloning one of their own products!

:lol: It looks very promising, and it should do well as the original was very useful and versatile
User avatar
Hugh Robjohns
Moderator
Posts: 39312 Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:00 am Location: Worcestershire, UK
Technical Editor, Sound On Sound...
(But generally posting my own personal views and not necessarily those of SOS, the company or the magazine!)
In my world, things get less strange when I read the manual... 

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by The Elf »

Similarly I have zero interest in the sequencer (I wonder if Behringer have been blind-sided by a few vociferous enthusiasts in that direction?), but it should be a flexible option to suit many purposes.

I would need an overlay to remove a lot of that very confusing text!
User avatar
The Elf
Forum Aficionado
Posts: 20181 Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:00 am Location: Sheffield, UK
An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by Drew Stephenson »

The Elf wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:46 pm I would need an overlay to remove a lot of that very confusing text!

I was thinking i'd be making a nice textured aluminium top panel for it. I'll need to think about how i attach some wooden end cheeks as well. ;)
User avatar
Drew Stephenson
Forum Aficionado
Posts: 24890 Joined: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:00 am Location: York
(The forumuser formerly known as Blinddrew)
Ignore the post count, I have no idea what I'm doing...
https://drewstephenson.bandcamp.com/

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by N i g e l »

Good to see the BCR back, there is nothing like it, especially at that price.
A good PC-BCR app would be appreciated too.

The Elf wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:46 pm Similarly I have zero interest in the sequencer (I wonder if Behringer have been blind-sided by a few vociferous enthusiasts in that direction?),

I get the impression that the sequencer mod is very popular with sequencer-ists [and good for Behringer as they sold more units to an unintended sector].
User avatar
N i g e l
Frequent Poster
Posts: 3746 Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:40 pm Location: British Isles

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by t-sun »

Considering the sequencer is already available and popular, I'd guess it was trivial to add it to the new version. Better to have it and not need it sort of thing, especially with their eurorack modules.

Sweetwater dropped me a line a few days ago letting me know that they should finally be getting the RD-9s in by the end of September/early October, if anyone needs an indication of the lag time they're dealing with these days. They were supposed to be available something like seven or eight months ago. Some people were speculating that the release was delayed so they could iron out firmware issues that were shared with the RD-8, but given allthe newsI've seen recently about gargantuan shipping delays globally my guess is that they've had them ready for a while and just haven't been able to move them around. Perhaps rather than release them piecemeal (and further frustrate customers with long shipping delays) they've been working to cover initial demand.

I picked up one of their wired headsets for work use earlier this year and it was about the same amount of time between the page going up on Sweetwater to when they actually had them in stock by the time I got it in late April, so I'll be pleasantly surprised if they manage to get some of these apparently completed projects in consumer hands by the end of the year.
t-sun
Regular
Posts: 240 Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:31 am

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by N i g e l »

Brains review.
Starts with a ramble through a tree swamp, which sets the tone for the rather talky video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-j7vR3zQno

Image

DGL. wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:11 pm
N i g e l wrote:Moog & Arp "referenced" each others designs. They opted to come to an agreement rather than spend money on lawyers & court fees.

Arpangel wrote:
The Elf wrote:Brains...
https://youtu.be/U59OzyB6lBM

This is getting crazy, it’s just a rip-off of Braids, but at least, that’s not made anymore!
What next?

:crazy:

Im not upto speed on this but I think braids/plaits are open source and are also used in the Arturia Microfreak & can be used in the Korg Prologue ???

Yes,
Behringer.com wrote:20 digital oscillators including 15 Mutable Instruments Plaits* engines for infinite sound creation

https://www.behringer.com/behringer/pro ... Code=P0E6H

It seems to have more models than the plaits, plus it has the waveform OLED display.

Behringer.com wrote:Visible Wavelengths
If having 20 digital oscillator modes wasn’t cool enough, BRAINS has an integrated and inspiring OLED display so you can visualize and adjust waveforms exactly the way you want them to be. Plus, having a screen with dancing waveforms on your synth is just plain awesome!

So it is using open source software (which is linked to on the product page) plus some extras done by them, so nothing really wrong there. Remember Arturia claimed they had worked with Mutable on the microfreak but in the end all they had used was the open source software, and Mutable rightly got a bit annoyed at that.
I also understand that this is the work of their Italian division, if that matters.

User avatar
N i g e l
Frequent Poster
Posts: 3746 Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:40 pm Location: British Isles

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by Arpangel »

N i g e l wrote: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:23 pm Brains review.
Starts with a ramble through a tree swamp, which sets the tone for the rather talky video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-j7vR3zQno

Image

I’ve got a lot of Berry stuff, modules especially, but this really is too close to the knuckle for me, plus, it looks tacky, really tacky, the whole thing is like some sort of a morality test for buyers.
User avatar
Arpangel
Jedi Poster
Posts: 16802 Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2003 12:00 am

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by Dan LB »

Arpangel wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:33 am this really is too close to the knuckle for me, plus, it looks tacky, really tacky, the whole thing is like some sort of a morality test for buyers.


The following is a list of manufacturers I could find who make a clone of Mutable Instruments ’Plaits’:

Michigan Synth Works
CalSynth
After Later Audio
Warped Circuits
Antumbra
Tall Dog
ST Modular
Blue Lantern Modules
Oscillosaurus
Codex Modulex
Tunefish Modular

And now….. Behringer

Why is it only a problem that Behringer are making a clone?
Plaits is open source and available to anyone that wants to recreate / modify it.

My stance regarding their business practices has changed somewhat over the last few weeks. I used to hate the idea of them blatantly ripping off other people’s designs but I’ve realised that this sort of cloning is happening all over the industry and it’s not entirely fair that Behringer are the only ones taking any flak for it IMO.

Warm Audio, Black Lion Audio, Golden Age Project, Heritage Audio, BAE,
WES Audio, Summit Audio, Tube-Tech and loads more are making clones of gear that is still currently for sale by the original manufacturers. No problem there though… a lot of them even advertise in the pages of SOS.

I wonder if MusicTribe had branded the 1176 clone as Behringer rather than KT would there have been more outrage?

Loads of plugin manufacturers are cloning, or maybe more accurately emulating, but still using familiar GUI layouts that are unmistakable.

A company called Cyclone Analogic have been making clones of old Roland gear (TB303 and TR606) for years. Creamware and Studio Electronics made Minimoog clones. The list is endless.

It’s rampant, mostly legal as far as I can tell and it’s not just Behringer doing it.
User avatar
Dan LB
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1672 Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:00 am Location: Wicklow, Ireland

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by Arpangel »

Dan LB wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:07 pm The following is a list of manufacturers I could find who make a clone of Mutable Instruments ’Plaits’:

Michigan Synth Works
CalSynth
After Later Audio
Warped Circuits
Antumbra
Tall Dog
ST Modular
Blue Lantern Modules
Oscillosaurus
Codex Modulex
Tunefish Modular

That’s true, you’ve got a point there, I suppose it’s got a lot to do with the tacky appearance, AFAIC, it just doesn’t look classy at all.
User avatar
Arpangel
Jedi Poster
Posts: 16802 Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2003 12:00 am

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by Dan LB »

Arpangel wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:13 am it just doesn’t look classy at all.

Agreed! It looks terrible :lol:
User avatar
Dan LB
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1672 Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:00 am Location: Wicklow, Ireland

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by Folderol »

Personally, provided a piece of kit does what I want, the crappier it looks the better as far as I'm concerned.
Firstly there's less likelihood of someone wanting to nick it, and secondly I love the look on peoples faces going from disdain to astonishment when they hear the results :lol:
User avatar
Folderol
Jedi Poster
Posts: 18348 Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:00 am Location: The Mudway Towns, UK
Yes. I am that Linux nut {apparently now an 'elderly'}
Onwards and... err... sideways!

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by Ben Asaro »

Dan LB wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:07 pm The following is a list of manufacturers I could find who make a clone of Mutable Instruments ’Plaits’:

... with the notable exception that MI's code is open source, so what you're comparing is effectively apples and oranges.

Behringer's overall business strategy is entirely reprehensible to me, but I feel that horse has been beaten to death here and anyone posting regularly in this thread ultimately doesn't care and isn't about to change their minds if what has happened thus far with Behringer hasn't done so already.
Ben Asaro
Frequent Poster
Posts: 2391 Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:00 am Location: NYC

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by Dan LB »

Ben Asaro wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:32 pm
... with the notable exception that MI's code is open source, so what you're comparing is effectively apples and oranges.

Ah right. Yes that makes sense. So is the open source nature of the code just to allow people to modify it for use with MI’s hardware only?
User avatar
Dan LB
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1672 Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:00 am Location: Wicklow, Ireland

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by Ben Asaro »

Nope, the designer made it open so whoever wants to use the code, can.
Ben Asaro
Frequent Poster
Posts: 2391 Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:00 am Location: NYC

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by Dan LB »

Ok Ben, I think either I have misunderstood you or vice versa. :)
I mentioned in my first post that Plaits is open source. What is it about my comparison that makes it apples to oranges? Genuinely confused :headbang:
User avatar
Dan LB
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1672 Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:00 am Location: Wicklow, Ireland

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by t-sun »

Looks like the RD-9 may not actually arrive this year at all at this point, there's been another delay. Didn't they post pictures of boxes of the things a few months ago? I wonder if they're sitting on a container ship that can't be unloaded because of the backlog.
t-sun
Regular
Posts: 240 Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:31 am

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by Eddy Deegan »

When it comes to music tech hardware, you're not alone. I pre-ordered a newly announced synth more than 2 months ago, as soon as it became possible to do so. Originally delivery was expected at some point in the last week but subsequent to an update from the supplier-to-my-vendor it's now been pushed back to mid November.

Disappointing but there are more important things in life to worry about and in a year or two I'll hardly remember the delay occurred at all :angel:
User avatar
Eddy Deegan
Moderator
Posts: 8934 Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:00 am Location: Brighton & Hove, UK
Some of my works | The SOS Forum Album projects  

Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Post by The Elf »

I suspect Eddy and me are on the same waiting list for one device! ;)

I've also been waiting for another two pre-orders, one for at least 18 months (I've forgotten when I made the order TBH!), the other for six months-ish. It's a strange world we now live in.

But I can live with it. When they arrive they'll be nice surprises. :lol:
User avatar
The Elf
Forum Aficionado
Posts: 20181 Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:00 am Location: Sheffield, UK
An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.
Locked