I don't want to colour anyone's impressions by giving my opinion before you've read the article, so I'll refrain from saying how I think this is useless hogwash.

Tomás Mulcahy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:41 am Nope, it's definitely science. The methodology is solid, the question(s) is/ are specific, and they are not making over-arching conclusions. The conclusions are very very specific.
Very interesting!
Martin Walker wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:07 pm I tend to agree, and will be trying out their findings in a forthcoming track to see if it grabs people
Martin
tea for two wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:38 pm I think so many hit songs are because of connections and or somehow being in the vicinity of a movement in music and or "serendipity."
BWC wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:30 amtea for two wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:38 pm I think so many hit songs are because of connections and or somehow being in the vicinity of a movement in music and or "serendipity."
The right promotional budget and strategy have turned crap into a hit more times than I'd care to try and count.
tea for two wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:38 pm I thought your track Change is Coming on the SOS forum album could have been a hit just with the right connections.
https://sosforumalbum.bandcamp.com/albu ... orum-album
I think so many hit songs are because of connections and or somehow being in the vicinity of a movement in music and or "serendipity."
Tomás Mulcahy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:41 am
Nope, it's definitely science. The methodology is solid, the question(s) is/ are specific, and they are not making over-arching conclusions. The conclusions are very very specific.
Very interesting!
Gone To Lunch wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:37 am But it is pseudo-science because it is assuming a model of mind that flies in the face of a large and growing body of contemporary scientific literature; that is to say it is theoretically inept.
Tomás Mulcahy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:51 amGone To Lunch wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:37 am But it is pseudo-science because it is assuming a model of mind that flies in the face of a large and growing body of contemporary scientific literature; that is to say it is theoretically inept.
It's not assuming any model of mind, it's only asking a question "Miles is hopeful that their work will one day help shed light on how tonality is established in the human brain" i.e. they don't know how it works, and are not assuming anything. In order to learn, you have to ask questions and they will often be "wrong" because you don't know the answer yet. It will "shed light" eventually. That is (by Karl Sagan's beautiful poetic definition) science. It is not "theoretically inept", it is exactly how theories work.
Gone To Lunch wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:12 pm Whilst it is indeed true that hypothesis testing is part of the scientific method, it has to be done in from within the context of relevant appropriate theory if it is to meaningfully contribute to the knowledge base, which wasn't the approach taken in this research.
Gone To Lunch wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:12 pm Sagan is an astronomer and journalist, at least according to Wikipedia, and not a relevant contributor to current work in neurobiology as far as I can read.
Gone To Lunch wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:12 pm " ... These findings [also] help further our understanding of how music is processed in the brain" are exactly and specifically the RECO model of mind, that I am counter-claiming is not scientifically appropriate.
Tomás Mulcahy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:24 pm I think your link to RECO in the article is tenuous. I think you are taking things out of context, and furthermore making assumptions. For example, it was not at all apparent that it was RECO you were referring to in your first post criticising the article.Gone To Lunch wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:12 pm Sagan is an astronomer and journalist, at least according to Wikipedia, and not a relevant contributor to current work in neurobiology as far as I can read.
Please, stick to the context. I quoted him in relation to science, not the subcategory neuroscience. After all, we were discussing/ defining science at that point.
merlyn wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:07 pmGone To Lunch wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:12 pm " ... These findings [also] help further our understanding of how music is processed in the brain" are exactly and specifically the RECO model of mind, that I am counter-claiming is not scientifically appropriate.
I searched 'RECO' and didn't get any relevant results. If you think representation and computation is not a good model, what is the model you're suggesting is more scientifically appropriate?