An Album that altered our Musical direction

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Martin Walker wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:19 pm
I've recently had a most intriguing experience in this vein (and I'm not talking about my Covid jab ;) )

Forty years ago my musical collaborator Mitt wrote some weird and convoluted lyrics and created a song with them in his late teens (to give you an idea, the title was 'Mathematic Hero Cage'. He recently dug these lyrics out and and sang them to a track that I'd created without hearing his original version. I then concentrated on the final production aspects after we'd drafted in a guest drummer and guitarist.

I deliberately didn't listen to the 40-year old version until our new one was finished, but when I finally did hear the original song (identical words, but completely different tune) it was really poignant to hear the difference in attitude to life from both of us in the ensuing forty years. His early version was weird and wonderfully fresh, while the new version sounds aggressive and world-weary in delivery, and of course his voice has dropped significantly in pitch.

Strange how the same words can result in a totally different message across the years!

Martin

Then there's Jon Anderson, lol sounds almost same now as he did in his early 20s.

Also Asha Bhosle the famous Indian singer she sounds so fresh in her 50's
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob8rBaUT0Yk
Song from 1min27
Brimful of Asha number 1 uk hit single 1998 name checked Asha in the title and lyrics.

I have a female chum in her 50s. Some of the worst things you could think of to happen to a Girl then a Woman happened to her.
Yet she is chirpy, giggly, spirited. Not world weary at all.

I'm so full of admiration for Women in refugee tents with their toddlers, children, keeping their child's spirits up, keeping their children smiley.

I would say our makeup has lot to do with how we are with life knokcing us down time and again, seeing adverse things happening to people we care about, seeing horrific things going on around the world.

I adore this early performance from Joni, with Joni giggling.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GFB-d-8_bvY

There's just as much uplift on Earth as there is downturn. It's up to us where we reside.

Eternal spark inside all of us, we gotta work to keep it from getting clouded by life, for our own sake, for the sake of those we care about.
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tea for two wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:15 am
Laurie Anderson wooo.
1981 Big Science album, decade before Bjork, Laurie had far out vocals quirky instrumentation.

Yes, I heard O Superman on the radio, I had to find a phone box and call my friend, it was a complete game changer, I went to see her do the all day thing at the Dominion in 1983, OMG.
It was Lexicons a go-go, and loads of Eventide stuff, big Oberheims, all twinkling away mysteriously.
And WTF was this Harmonizer thing? I wanted one f*****g yesterday.
I never thought her music would become dated, I thought it timeless, but it has, it sounds very cheesy now, almost embarrassing, some of it, time and technology really put things into perspective, and the more technology you use, the more you risk becoming cheesy.
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Curious as to your definition of cheese.
Are you thinking some sound(s) that was/were so unique and cool but now due to over use by other bands and becoming a standard that it has attained the status of cheesy?
And don’t forget -
It only takes a number one hit that features that cheese box to bring it back into style!
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Quick thought - seems synths and other keyboards achieve the status of cheesy but do guitar sounds?
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ManFromGlass wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:43 pm Quick thought - seems synths and other keyboards achieve the status of cheesy but do guitar sounds?

Absolutely (in my opinion), Slash-style wailing guitar sounds, power-ballad guitar solos, etc. all sound cheesy and dated to my ears now in the same way as a "synth lead" patch.
Whereas, again in my closed, little mind, an acoustic instrument never does.
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Many new things to listen to here and thanks all for that.

The one album that keeps me coming back to it is New York by Lou Reed. A perfect to me distillation of words and music, and I always have strived for that "sounds so simple" guitar sound ever since I heard it.

Apart from that: it is also and always The Blue Nile.

Update with a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH96BsL1R3U

G,D,A,D on Dirty Boulevard. So simple in theory......
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ManFromGlass wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:43 pm Curious as to your definition of cheese.
Are you thinking some sound(s) that was/were so unique and cool but now due to over use by other bands and becoming a standard that it has attained the status of cheesy?
And don’t forget -
It only takes a number one hit that features that cheese box to bring it back into style!
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Quick thought - seems synths and other keyboards achieve the status of cheesy but do guitar sounds?

I think it’s the vocal delivery, it was very unusual at the time, and added weight to what she was saying, also, she used the Harmonizer to assist in that, making her voice lower, I use the word cheesy in all sorts, sometimes it just sounds uncool to do certain things, out of time, then they come back, and are cool again.
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sometimes it just sounds uncool to do certain things, out of time, then they come back, and are cool again.

The vocoder still works for me, albeit usually more subtly than ELO used it.
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One last thought and an album that is pretty much in my DNA
Blood On The Tracks. (Bob Dylan)

Maybe the one that got me playing guitar apart from anything else!
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Dave.P wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:58 pm One last thought and an album that is pretty much in my DNA
Blood On The Tracks. (Bob Dylan)

Maybe the one that got me playing guitar apart from anything else!

Yes, a life changer, when I first met my wife, we moved the Dansette into the middle of the hallway, and had this album on the auto-changer all day, every day.
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Arpangel wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:50 am
Dave.P wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:58 pm One last thought and an album that is pretty much in my DNA
Blood On The Tracks. (Bob Dylan)

Maybe the one that got me playing guitar apart from anything else!

Yes, a life changer, when I first met my wife, we moved the Dansette into the middle of the hallway, and had this album on the auto-changer all day, every day.

What a fantastic picture that conjures up!
This album soundtracked so many relationships I suspect, both good and tumultuous.
It has the reputation for being the Dylan album for people that do not get Dylan, but it is just a fantastic piece of work whatever part of the spectrum you come from.
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Dave.P wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:06 am
Arpangel wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:50 am
Dave.P wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:58 pm One last thought and an album that is pretty much in my DNA
Blood On The Tracks. (Bob Dylan)

Maybe the one that got me playing guitar apart from anything else!

Yes, a life changer, when I first met my wife, we moved the Dansette into the middle of the hallway, and had this album on the auto-changer all day, every day.

What a fantastic picture that conjures up!
This album soundtracked so many relationships I suspect, both good and tumultuous.
It has the reputation for being the Dylan album for people that do not get Dylan, but it is just a fantastic piece of work whatever part of the spectrum you come from.

There’s a guitar solo at the end of Meet Me In The Morning, I just can’t say, it’s just too much, just too much, beyond.
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For me, the album in question was Eating People - Hints For The Housewife by The Instant Automatons which was originally released on cassette in 1979 and available to anyone who sent the band a C90 cassette along with a Stamped Addressed Envelope. I found out about it from a news article in NME and was intrigued enough to send them a cassette to find out what it was all about.

I suspect it's an album that very few people have ever heard of and even fewer actually like. I have to admit that apart from a few tracks I wasn't that impressed the music. However what it did was show me that a lack of money was no obstacle to getting my band's music heard and if there was an audience for The Instant Automatons, there might just be an audience for our music too.

My band at the time was a recording only band, as even in those days of punk and post-punk you were still expected to have reasonably conventional instrumentation and a drum kit and amps if you wanted to play gigs. So instead we wrote songs and recorded them (live, direct to cassette) almost entirely for our own amusement. The idea of recording and releasing a conventional 7" DIY single never occurred to us. For a start even the £153 it cost The Desperate Bicycles to make their debut single was way beyond our means, and besides if we weren't gigging how would anyone find out that we had a record for sale?

However an Instant Automatons-style DIY cassette release was within our grasp, and so over the 1979 Christmas Holidays the band recorded a handful of new songs with more punky and avant garde influences to go with "the best" of our more prog-rock influenced back catalogue, and ended up with enough material to fill a C60 cassette. I sent off press releases to the weekly music press and by some fluke both NME and Sounds published them.

The result was that for the first few months of 1980 I was inundated with blank cassettes and SEAs! Also as I later discovered, compared with the majority of DIY free cassettes, ours was a collection of songs and instrumentals with actual tunes and reasonably conventional song structures, and therefore a lot more "accessible" even to the average punk/post-punk listener who was already more used to unconventional music.

And based on the reputation our cassette was getting, The Instant Automatons asked us to record four and a half minutes of music to go on their "Angst In My Pants" double EP. So, in the space of 12 months I went from being essentially a bedroom guitarist who would have probably given up playing as university work took precedence, to someone whose music was on a a proper record and was played on John Peel's radio show, all from a taking a chance on sending a cassette to a band I'd never previously heard of.

As a result writing, recording and playing music has been a massive part of my life for the last 40+ years.
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