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External router for XR18?

Post by Ronnie Wibbley »

Hello! I'm looking for a dual-band router to use at live gigs with a Behringer XR18, and wondered whether something like the TP-Link AC750 (TL-WR902AC) travel router would be up to the job. Small gigs only but from what I've read the internal XR18 router is not to be trusted.

I'm interested because it's cheap but also because it hasn't got a load of flimsy plastic antennae that are likely to go flying across the stage as soon as the drummer sits down.

Any advice or recommendations gratefully etc etc etc.

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Post by Trevor@chords4u.com »

Hi Ronnie.

I love my XR18 but you are right about using an external router. I did a gig recently (as the sound engineer) using my XR18 were I did all the sound checks and it was great until the audience arrived and with all the mobile phone networks the built in XR18’s got lost. I couldn’t connect to it as the Wi-Fi signal was so weak. I deployed an old BT Broadband router which worked a treat. As a bonus linking to the XR18 in the studio is much fast loading and saving shows and settings, etc.

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Ronnie Wibbley wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:11 pm Hello! I'm looking for a dual-band router to use at live gigs with a Behringer XR18, and wondered whether something like the TP-Link AC750 (TL-WR902AC) travel router would be up to the job. Small gigs only but from what I've read the internal XR18 router is not to be trusted.

Definitely, use an external router for anything other than home use. Otherwise, it's only a matter of time before you're bitten.

That router will work, but be aware that you won't have any spare ethernet ports to allow you to plug in, say, a laptop, or a tablet with a cabled network connector for greater reliability.

You really don't need anything special - I've always used old routers from ISPs - cost = nothing, performance = just fine.

Trevor@chords4u.com wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:09 pm I did a gig recently (as the sound engineer) using my XR18 were I did all the sound checks and it was great until the audience arrived and with all the mobile phone networks the built in XR18’s got lost. I couldn’t connect to it as the Wi-Fi signal was so weak. I deployed an old BT Broadband router which worked a treat. As a bonus linking to the XR18 in the studio is much fast loading and saving shows and settings, etc.

Pretty standard - and tragic that people are still making this mistake even these days.

Glad to see you taking the simple/cheap solution of using an old ISP router, though.

There will be plenty of recommendations for super-pro kit but, for most amateur/semi-pros, it really isn't worth it.
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Post by Sam Spoons »

I have a couple of Apple Airport routers which get the job done just fine on my X32s and an Airport Express plumbed into the case with the DL1608. All have 5GHz as well as 2.4GHz which seems to help (or did last time I did a live gig, pre Covid). As all my other kit comes from the fruit it makes sense and the Airport app is pretty user friendly.
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Post by resistorman »

I just use cheap Monoprice routers ( I carry a backup). I also have a long Ethernet cable so I can plug in a laptop to the router if I'm using it as a stagebox. Importantly, for best results, use the 5ghz band.
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resistorman wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:10 pm Importantly, for best results, use the 5ghz band.

There's a bit of a trade-off there that's worth considering. 5GHz tends to be a less crowded band in lots of places, and with a faster connection possible, but the range will be lower than 2.4GHz.
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Luke W wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:20 pm
resistorman wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:10 pm Importantly, for best results, use the 5ghz band.

There's a bit of a trade-off there that's worth considering. 5GHz tends to be a less crowded band in lots of places, and with a faster connection possible, but the range will be lower than 2.4GHz.

True, and especially if you have to go through a wall such as a proscenium, but most venues you're likely doing with an XR18 aren't going to be all that big. That said, I found myself engineering from the middle of a ball field one time using one! It did slow down, but 2ghz wasn't any better in this case.
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resistorman wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:44 pm True, and especially if you have to go through a wall such as a proscenium, but most venues you're likely doing with an XR18 aren't going to be all that big. That said, I found myself engineering from the middle of a ball field one time using one! It did slow down, but 2ghz wasn't any better in this case.

Absolutely, and pretty much anything will be an improvement over the on-board version from what I've heard. Thought it was worth a mention nonetheless.
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Wherever I've had problems it's been with 2.4GHz and switching to 5GHz has solved them. No doubt it's because 5GHz is less crowded and in the future that will likely change but so far so good.
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Post by PeteB1951 »

I agree, use an external router, but it probably doesn't matter much which one. I've been using an ancient TP-Link TL-WR1043ND with no problem. One advantage is that the network you set up is likely to be the strongest in the room, and as it's password protected and doesn't have internet access it won't (shouldn't) attract anyone else on to it. I'm using OSI Midi Stage with a Behringer x-Touch Mini and also casting interval music from an old Android phone to an Audiocast M5 dongle plugged into the XR18 and powered by the router's USB socket.
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Post by The Elf »

Wired only for me. I wouldn't trust my on-stage sound to wireless anything!
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Re: External router for XR18?

Post by pax-eterna »

I use a Intel NUC box racked into a small form factor (back to front dimension) rack, also in the same rack is the XR18, connected via ethernet! I do have a separate router in the same rack, but I don't really use it anymore.
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