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Re: OK? Genelec 8010’s.

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Arpangel wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:01 pm You can hear if something has inordinate amounts of bass, or top, through quite crappy equipment.

True, but only if it has been recorded in a decent environment in the first place.
You never hear the speaker, you hear the speaker and the room together. Stick a decent speaker in a boomy room and it will still sound boomy. Stick a half decent speaker in a decent room and it will still sound half-decent.

I know you know this Arpangel, but other people, new to this stuff, will also be reading this thread.
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Re: OK? Genelec 8010’s.

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blinddrew wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:36 pm
Arpangel wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:01 pm You can hear if something has inordinate amounts of bass, or top, through quite crappy equipment.

True, but only if it has been recorded in a decent environment in the first place.
You never hear the speaker, you hear the speaker and the room together. Stick a decent speaker in a boomy room and it will still sound boomy. Stick a half decent speaker in a decent room and it will still sound half-decent.

I know you know this Arpangel, but other people, new to this stuff, will also be reading this thread.

Excessive bass, some of it may be coming from the room it was recorded in, but what if it wasn’t recorded in a room at all, the music was electronically generated? there are no reference points, as to what it "should" sound like, and synths sound different through different speakers.
Agreed, a boomy room will add its sound, but you need to choose a speaker that will work best in that room, one that isn’t inherently bass heavy, or boomy, this is reality, and how most of us with home studios that can’t be treated choose monitors.
I’ve always tried to choose monitors that work in a particular room, and I have my preferences beyond that, that’s why I asked about the speakers here.
I have my own opinions about monitoring and monitors, and it’s very personal, I’m not suggesting others starting out should take it on board, it’s just how I think, my perspective, some may be interested, some not.
Monitors for recording purposes are to me, not the most important thing to worry about, I believe we can work with anything, in any room, if need be, and still produce great recordings, well, some can.
There’s no other subject in recording that gets people going as much as this, but honestly, I really don’t take it seriously, it’s not important, we are led to believe certain things, that may have worked for someone, somewhere, at sometime, but that was them, it might not work for me.
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Re: OK? Genelec 8010’s.

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I’ve been mixing on the same Genelecs for more than 25 years.
I can get a good mix on them.
I like them.
Get them if they are calling to you. What’s the worst that can happen? You re-sell them or take them back?
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Re: OK? Genelec 8010’s.

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Arpangel wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:25 pm
blinddrew wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:36 pm
Arpangel wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:01 pm You can hear if something has inordinate amounts of bass, or top, through quite crappy equipment.

True, but only if it has been recorded in a decent environment in the first place.
You never hear the speaker, you hear the speaker and the room together. Stick a decent speaker in a boomy room and it will still sound boomy. Stick a half decent speaker in a decent room and it will still sound half-decent.

I know you know this Arpangel, but other people, new to this stuff, will also be reading this thread.

Excessive bass, some of it may be coming from the room it was recorded in, but what if it wasn’t recorded in a room at all, the music was electronically generated? there are no reference points, as to what it "should" sound like, and synths sound different through different speakers.
Agreed, a boomy room will add its sound, but you need to choose a speaker that will work best in that room, one that isn’t inherently bass heavy, or boomy, this is reality, and how most of us with home studios that can’t be treated choose monitors.
I’ve always tried to choose monitors that work in a particular room, and I have my preferences beyond that, that’s why I asked about the speakers here.
I have my own opinions about monitoring and monitors, and it’s very personal, I’m not suggesting others starting out should take it on board, it’s just how I think, my perspective, some may be interested, some not.
Monitors for recording purposes are to me, not the most important thing to worry about, I believe we can work with anything, in any room, if need be, and still produce great recordings, well, some can.
There’s no other subject in recording that gets people going as much as this, but honestly, I really don’t take it seriously, it’s not important, we are led to believe certain things, that may have worked for someone, somewhere, at sometime, but that was them, it might not work for me.

I was referring to the idea of judging speakers, even superficially, based on a youtube video - or any other kind of recording.
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Re: OK? Genelec 8010’s.

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Arpangel wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:25 pmThere’s no other subject in recording that gets people going as much as this, but honestly, I really don’t take it seriously, it’s not important, we are led to believe certain things, that may have worked for someone, somewhere, at sometime, but that was them, it might not work for me.

The issues here, Tony, are first that you are drawing conclusions about relative sound quality without any knowledge of the circumstances in which those videos were created. You simply don't know what the speakers sounded like in the room because you weren't there, and you don't know how the sound was captured, how it was processed, what mangling went on before and during the upload or -- most importantly -- how the situations compared for the two different videos.

In other words, there was no valid consistent frame of reference other than that you watched them both on Youtube from your laptop!

But how you form your own opinions is of no interest to me.

What does matter to me, a lot -- and this is the second issue -- is that on the world's most respected music technology magazine's forum you are presenting your unbelievably dubiously obtained 'opinion' of the relative merits of these two speakers as if it was a valid and accurate one!

It's utter nonsense, and if it weren't for the fact that several more sensible forum members have already questioned and highlighted the lunacy of it I would have binned this thread!

Perhaps if you actually go and listen to both speakers in person, in the same room and at the same time, your experiences and opinion might be worth sharing. As it is, you do yourself and this forum no favours!
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Re: OK? Genelec 8010’s.

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Trevor Johnson wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:38 am I've listened to the 8010s a lot over the last few years

…I use them for confirmation monitoring when recording. Recently I did a few mixes using them as monitors in my recording room, just for fun.(I usually do my mixing in another room) They were perfectly adequate for me. My main monitors for mixing are usually 8030s, but it didn’t take me long to adjust to the 8010s. Just my experience.
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Re: OK? Genelec 8010’s.

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Hugh Robjohns wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 2:15 pm As it is, you do yourself and this forum no favours!

A post about choosing speakers, there are other agendas going on here.
I got he Genelecs, obviously superior.
My gad, this is all crazy, favours? why would I want to do anyone, or myself, any favours at my age?
I’ve just had enough, of music, technology, and life, especially technology.
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Re: OK? Genelec 8010’s.

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Maybe music and arts is more important right now than we may realize…
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Re: OK? Genelec 8010’s.

Post by Nazard »

This is a whole new standard of equipment reviews! :shocked:

Here are the views of someone who has actually listened to them in real life:

I had thought this comment was directed at me, especially since I hadn't explained that I have spent tens of hours, in acoustically treated spaces, with those Genelecs. So, probably better than 10 minutes in an A/B/C comparison......

you are presenting your unbelievably dubiously obtained 'opinion' of the relative merits of these two speakers as if it was a valid and accurate one!

I understand that, as I am an editor, and author, in what is regarded as the world's most important healthcare evidence based source, the Cochrane Collaboration. So, I appreciate claims lacking an evidence base.

In the end, I decided not to cancel my subscription to SoS, e.g. this month is an exceptionally good magazine, but perhaps, in future, be a little less judgemental and accept us for what we all are; flawed.........

P.S. I really was disturbed by this thread, to the extent I have changed my username......
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Re: OK? Genelec 8010’s.

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Trevor Johnson wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 7:24 pm...but perhaps, in future, be a little less judgemental and accept us for what we all are; flawed...

I wouldn't want to disturb you, Trevor, and my comments were obviously not aimed at you since you have first-hand experience of the Genelecs in real life.

One of my roles here is to maintain a certain standard of accuracy, credibility and reliable technical information in the main forums. The things people come here for and expect of the SOS brand.

Therefore, I dont think it unreasonable to expect our regular posters to voice good, reliable advice, with consistency, technical accuracy, and genuine experience underpinning fact-based opinions.

Tony is unquestionably a regular poster, but his bizarre assessment of speakers based on random YouTube videos failed in every other respect.

Frankly, I was astounded anyone would post something like that here, so I dont apologise for calling Tony out on a post that I considered inappropriate and technically unacceptable. It was certainly not an assessment technique I'd want any novices to embrace!

I accept your questioning my choice of moderation, but I feel it was justified to try and reign in some of Tony's less helpful postings, at least in the public technical forums.

...or we could just have myriad posts claiming stuff is AWESOME followed by pages of bickering and personal abuse.
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Re: OK? Genelec 8010’s.

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My interpretation was that those comments weren’t directed at you Trevor, but rather the individual who was basing an assessment of a product after listening to a couple of YouTube videos with the inaccuracies and unknown control issues that that implies.

You’ll agree I’m sure that useful feedback on products from users who have actually used them - like yourself - helps the efficacy of the information here for future readers.

I read that to be the intention of the ‘correction’, and certainly not aimed at your good self!

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Re: OK? Genelec 8010’s.

Post by Nazard »

but one of my roles here is to maintain a certain standard of accuracy, credibility and reliable technical information in the main forums. The things people come here for and expect of the SOS brand.

Thank you, Hugh and Bob, for your very kind replies. I agree that as a very professional resource, SoS, has to have a consistent, evidence approach, to all it does.

Whilst still being inclusive of those thinking outside the box.......
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