the latest Behringer-gate

[DGL.]

...And Andertons are saying 11th Sep. price £399!, that's ~£170 cheaper than even the mini korg odyssey! (and ~£50 less than the module), but the Behringer has effects, a metal case, light up faders, has a built in arp/sequencer, has all 3 filters, is full size and has decent full size keys (assuming the same keys as the VC340/MS101).

https://www.andertons.co.uk/behringer-o ... ynthesizer

[The Elf]

Even though I have the Korg full-size this is a stone cold 'take my money'. As long as it works as expected it's an absolute winner.

[Arpangel]

Even though I have the Korg full-size this is a stone cold 'take my money'. As long as it works as expected it's an absolute winner.

Absolutely, and at £399 it's just beyond belief, it's a question of why not? This is all getting really crazy now. If they've cracked it like the D, it's a no brainer.

[The Elf]

...and, for anyone that wonders, yes I *will* be getting the PSU mounted inside the case!

Behringer are usually pretty good on this point, but they've let me down with the Odyssey, for some reason.

[DGL.]

Even though I have the Korg full-size this is a stone cold 'take my money'. As long as it works as expected it's an absolute winner.

Absolutely, and at £399 it's just beyond belief, it's a question of why not? This is all getting really crazy now. If they've cracked it like the D, it's a no brainer.

Although go to Thomann and it's only €432 which is £388 so even more of a no brainer. Plus it looks like it now has multicoloured LED's rather than the white one the prototypes had, I guessing to recreate the original fader caps.

[Arpangel]

Plus it looks like it now has multicoloured LED's

How dare they come back with a Coup De Gras......the swines! how can I possibly resist!

[Folderol]

Not looking
Not listening
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[BillB]

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Hey, that would sound great on an odyssey!

[Arpangel]

Not sure about posting this here, or it may deserve a seperate thread, may be?
As gear becomes cheaper and cheaper, resale prices also go the same way, we're reaching (reached) a situation where a a lot of the "essential" tools to make music these days are worth almost nothing on resale, or, actually, nothing!
I sold my Moog Model D recently for good money, after owning it for a relatively short time. If that had been a Berry D I'd have lost out big time, and got hardly anything for it. We don't buy gear to sell, that's not the main reason, but it has to be taken into account at some point. I paid a lot for my Moog, but I got most of it back, and original gear can appreciate in value, cheap gear just reaches a point where it's either superseded and devalues enormously, or it just becomes worthless. I'm actually giving stuff away now, and even then, there are no takers, it's better to buy new as it's so cheap, and you get a guarantee!
Now people are using apps, and tablets/phones, apps you can't sell, and phones etc have built in obsolescence.

[Sam Spoons]

Purely out of curiosity how much did you buy, and later sell your Moog Model D for?

[awjoe]

Plus it sounds great. Nobody's said it, only implied it. I watched two videos. I've never played an instrument like it before, one hand keying the notes, the other hand tweaking the sound. Reminded me a bit of those Indian harmoniums where you pump with one hand and play with the other, except this could easily be more fun. I'm a good one-handed player on backing bits. I'd love to play with this.

[Arpangel]

Purely out of curiosity how much did you buy, and later sell your Moog Model D for?

I bought it for £3,000and sold it for £2,750, I kept it for 18 months. I got it at a good price, and sold it below what it was worth, I needed the money for my Buchla.
It was basically money sitting there, I got £250 use out of it in my ownership.

[Sam Spoons]

I would have been happy with that myself and, I guess, if you'd kept it it would have increased in value too so a good investment.

I sold my Moog Model D recently for good money, after owning it for a relatively short time. If that had been a Berry D I'd have lost out big time, and got hardly anything for it.

But, assuming you had got £250's worth of use out of it (as you did with your Minimoog) you would have only need to sell for £20 to break even

[Arpangel]

I would have been happy with that myself and, I guess, if you'd kept it it would have increased in value too so a good investment.

I sold my Moog Model D recently for good money, after owning it for a relatively short time. If that had been a Berry D I'd have lost out big time, and got hardly anything for it.

But, assuming you had got £250's worth of use out of it (as you did with your Minimoog) you would have only need to sell for £20 to break even

I've just opened a bank account with Moog Financial Services, they do tend to offer slightly higher returns, over time, of course....

[Sam Spoons]

[ConcertinaChap]

I sold my Moog Model D recently for good money, after owning it for a relatively short time. If that had been a Berry D I'd have lost out big time, and got hardly anything for it.

What if the existence of reasonably priced clones started to affect the second hand price of the original kit? Has anyone seen any evidence of that?

When the second hand price of kit drops it can be damned annoying, as when Apogee suddenly dropped support for their Ensemble Firewire interfaces and immediately removed hundreds of pounds of value from mine.

CC

[Dave B]

Given that someone just advertised two mint Roland SH-101s for 2.5k, I'm guessing that the clones are aimed at a different market...

[The Elf]

What if the existence of reasonably priced clones started to affect the second hand price of the original kit? Has anyone seen any evidence of that?

I've not only seen it, but I've been part of it. I was offered a decent secondhand monosynth yesterday, but I thought - I could have a Behringer Model D for a fifth of that...

[Sam Spoons]

Given the relative rarity of true 'vintage' synths I think prices will remain stable, there are always those who covet 'the real thing'.

[Drew Stephenson]

I think you'll see a clear demarcation between real classics, which will hold their value, and things that people are trying to sell as 'classics' just because it's old.
It's a bit like the counterfeit watch market. No-one buys a Rolex for $20 believing it's a real one, but lots of those people will go on to buy a real one in the future when they can afford it.

[The Elf]

It's true that 'the real thing' will continue to command a premium, but from what I'm seeing that premium has definitely been reduced.

[Arpangel]

What if the existence of reasonably priced clones started to affect the second hand price of the original kit? Has anyone seen any evidence of that?

I've not only seen it, but I've been part of it. I was offered a decent secondhand monosynth yesterday, but I thought - I could have a Behringer Model D for a fifth of that...

I bought my Moog D purely because I wanted a Moog again, a nice bit of wood, and some even nicer, big knobs. My decision did not have anything to do with the sound, that was a given. If cosmetics and the name weren't important to me I'd have got the Berry, it sounds just the same. If the Moog D hadn't been available, I wouldn't have bought anything, as the Moog sound isn't that important to me. I kept turning it on and playing the same sound over and over again, Dark Side Of The Moon leads, it wasn't doing me any good as far taking my own music forward.

[The Elf]

Some instruments become such a part of you that life without them is hard to imagine - my MiniMoog is my musical voice; it 'sings' for me!

The Odyssey has become very important to me in a short space of time. so I'll be interested to see how the Behringer version stands up.

[DGL.]

And another sort of teaser..
https://youtu.be/oVxZ1Lrspck
A sort of recreation of MJ's thriller (but different enough to stop any copyright claim) but instead of the LinnDrum they used the RD808, now the bloke in the video (one of the RD808 engineers) did say,
"now the original used a LinnDrum, I wonder if anyone will ever make one of those "