the latest Behringer-gate

[The Elf]

There will always be a market for 'clones' of successful products.

There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey. (Jon Ruskin 1819-1900)

[Arpangel]

There will always be a market for 'clones' of successful products.

There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey. (Jon Ruskin 1819-1900)

But that's the trouble Elf, often it's really good, not worse in terms of sonics, the build and ergonomics may not be "ideal" but the sound is fine. Like the Behringer D, I couldn't tell the difference between that and my Mini Moog, it was actually shockingly good.
And I'm sure the other Berry clones are just the same.
I think in terms of sound generation and new types of synthesis the hardware keyboard has had its day, and it's in software these days, but are we really that interested in new types of sounds, are we REALLY??? I think it's all getting a bit same year, and how many sounds do we need for gods sake, maybe it's all peaked out.
And that's why people are still using old synths, and buying clones.

[Langur]

There will always be a market for 'clones' of successful products.

There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey. (Jon Ruskin 1819-1900)

Yeah but as far as I know, it's the first time that a big corporation relies only (or almost only) on clones.

[nathanscribe]

And that's why people are still using old synths, and buying clones.

And guitars, and violins, and pianos. Even the bassoon!

They're all just instruments, people will like them or not and want to play them or not, and if new synthesis is mostly (but not always) software, well, maybe one day there'll be a set of laptops at the Albert Hall for the proms, but it's all good as long as it makes noise

[DGL.]

And that's why people are still using old synths, and buying clones.

And guitars, and violins, and pianos. Even the bassoon!

They're all just instruments, people will like them or not and want to play them or not, and if new synthesis is mostly (but not always) software, well, maybe one day there'll be a set of laptops at the Albert Hall for the proms, but it's all good as long as it makes noise

Now Kraftwerk at the proms is something I would watch

[Drew Stephenson]

And guitars, and violins, and pianos. Even the bassoon!

They're all just instruments, people will like them or not and want to play them or not,

Even banjos?

[Wonks]

And guitars, and violins, and pianos. Even the bassoon!

They're all just instruments, people will like them or not and want to play them or not,

Even banjos?

To cut costs. Behringer would just skip the building stage and just sell the firewood.

[The Elf]

There will always be a market for 'clones' of successful products.
There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey. (Jon Ruskin 1819-1900)

Yeah but as far as I know, it's the first time that a big corporation relies only (or almost only) on clones.

Ahem... Have you looked at the vast range of products that Behringer produce?!!

[Adam Inglis]

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But that's the trouble Elf, often it's really good, not worse in terms of sonics, the build and ergonomics may not be "ideal" but the sound is fine.

But that's it exactly... "ergonomics" (which I think probably includes the hard-to-define term "playability" of an instrument) is EXTREMELY important to musicians, and gets more important the more experienced you are, because it has a huge effect on creative flow.
It's not just the "sound", it's what you can do with it with your two hands in real time.

[Drew Stephenson]

Exactly this. I could buy a kit guitar, build it in a day, and the specifications would be virtually the same as whatever model it was based on. Wouldn't play, look or feel like a Fender/Gibson/whatever though.

[Arpangel]

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But that's the trouble Elf, often it's really good, not worse in terms of sonics, the build and ergonomics may not be "ideal" but the sound is fine.

But that's it exactly... "ergonomics" (which I think probably includes the hard-to-define term "playability" of an instrument) is EXTREMELY important to musicians, and gets more important the more experienced you are, because it has a huge effect on creative flow.
It's not just the "sound", it's what you can do with it with your two hands in real time.

Absolutely true, but it depends on the clone, the knobs on the Berry D are small, but you get used to them, you can get used to anything. Connect a decent controller keyboard to it and you can be as expressive as you like. I really can't imagine it having a negative impact on my creative flow.
What I personally don't like are small keys, like on the Korg MS20 mini, they are just a step too far, and short keyboards too, they really do limit me in terms of just playing the thing.

[DGL.]

And another one, looks like their first prototype eurorack module (if you exclude the boog/neutron/pro one Etc.).
Going from a post on gearslutz it looks identical in layout to the Moog 921B VCO.

[Dan LB]

And another one, looks like their first prototype eurorack module (if you exclude the boog/neutron/pro one Etc.).
Going from a post on gearslutz it looks identical in layout to the Moog 921B VCO.

Not identical. The 921B has 7 patch points - this has 11...... very interesting though

[DGL.]

ooh.. and anybody want a eurorack MS20?, there was a leaked photo of a beta unit but no other info was released, and well they have gone BOOM! and released it just like that, no teaser/ask for your suggestions campaign, no teasing of PCB's or anything like that.

2,000 K-2 synthesizers ready to ship.

We hear people constantly complaining that we're announcing too early and never ship anything. This time we kept quiet:-)

More to come...

[The Elf]

Not something I've ever been interested in, but I bet that one will be a good seller!

The MS20 is one of those synths that held absolutely no interest to anyone for decades, then suddenly acquired this mystical status. Odd the way the world works...

[nathanscribe]

It's probably built better than the Korg MS-20 mini as well. I like Korg, but they made a pig's ear out of that one. Wonky pots, rattly jacks, terrible keys. Good job it sounds really good.

The Behringer has a switch for both filters, too. Not really sure how different they sound, but it's there at least.

[Sam Spoons]

I worked in MI retail when the MS10/20 was released. We had a MiniMoog, a Korg 700S and an ARP Odyssey in stock when the MS20 arrived and compared to any of them it sounded weak and gutless. The only thing it had going for it was the patch panel (and the price compared to the big boys).

[Arpangel]

Not more modular, I can't handle all this anymore, there's just too much stuff around, and most of it a variation on a theme by....
There really is so much stuff being released, how can anyone keep up? It's enough having one complicated keyboard to master, how people deal with all this hardware leaves me mystified, and we haven't even talked about software, it's just all too much.

[CS70]

Not more modular, I can't handle all this anymore, there's just too much stuff around, and most of it a variation on a theme by....
There really is so much stuff being released, how can anyone keep up? It's enough having one complicated keyboard to master, how people deal with all this hardware leaves me mystified, and we haven't even talked about software, it's just all too much.

Nothing to worry about, I'd say. People are different and - as a musician - what matters if you produce music or not (or at least play .

[Dave B]

Funny enough, I might be interested in the ms 20 clone. It depends on the pricepoint. I too remember them as being 'meh' at the time when people wanted minimoogs, but that's kind of the point : it's not a minimoog, it's different. And I like the idea of a patch panel for some stuff. Interesting.