The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

[FrankF]

I’ve got his monitors, and a compressor, am I beyond redemption?

Not quite, but I do think that, for the good of your soul, you should give them back.

[Arpangel]

I’ve got his monitors, and a compressor, am I beyond redemption?

Not quite, but I do think that, for the good of your soul, you should give them back.

That’s fine, but what are the best monitors for under three hundred quid.

[Drew Stephenson]

I’ve got his monitors, and a compressor, am I beyond redemption?

Not quite, but I do think that, for the good of your soul, you should give them back.

That’s fine, but what are the best monitors for under three hundred quid.

Adam T5V.
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[Arpangel]

I’ve got his monitors, and a compressor, am I beyond redemption?

Not quite, but I do think that, for the good of your soul, you should give them back.

That’s fine, but what are the best monitors for under three hundred quid.

Adam T5V.
Next!

I’ve just checked those out, unbalanced input too? that could be useful.
I like my Behringers though, and what’s more they aren’t broken, if they were, or when they do, I’ll be in the market for something else. I can’t just get rid of them now, and this is the crunch, I may not like what I replace them with, I’ve got used to these, and I actually like them now.

[The Elf]

Brains...
https://youtu.be/U59OzyB6lBM

[Hugh Robjohns]

As Mr F said recently... meh!

Not my cup of tea... Now a DS80 would be far more likely to get me fizzing in my special place...

[Arpangel]

Brains...
https://youtu.be/U59OzyB6lBM

This is getting crazy, it’s just a rip-off of Braids, but at least, that’s not made anymore!
What next?

[Terrible.dee]

I do NOT support evil, so I wont be buying ANY of them.

You are not alone in this viewpoint, as a search through the entirety of this thread, and others on the site, will attest.

Of course, others take a different view, and they are entitled to form their own opinions.

And while your examples of questionable practices are well known, they aren't the complete story, or necessarily reflective of the current situation.

I think this is a complete representation of the situation we find ourselves in.

Uli's track record is in indisputable. Its gone on for DECADES.

There's no way someone who has racked up this many I.P theft lawsuits. Acted like a totalitarian dictator would...and has been called a "sociopath" across the board, by those who have worked with him is just a victim of "haterz"

The guy is who he is, and he makes no secret of it......I suppose I can at least respect that.

But he puts me in the position of having to decide who I AM.

Am I a slavering sycophant, who is ready to sell his soul for the a loose approximation of a vintage synth? Am I, at my core, nothing but a "Consumer" ready to jump at anything so long as it temporarily satiates my desire to "consume"

No.....I am not. Synths do not take priority over my God installed values.

I Chose to do what is clearly right. We have a God-Given sense of what that is. Through I-phones, tablets, and TV before that have done their best to mute our connection to that.

That's my decision.

Everyone else will have to decide what sort of person they want to be.

[Terrible.dee]

Plus we seem to forget that Dave Smith screwed over E-MU back in teh day but no-one seems to bring that up, and that the original prophet 5 was not really that much of a sequential instrument (the analogue side and keyboard scanning was E-MU's work) yet they are still living on that legacy with the new models.

But in other news they are currently teasing something called BRAINS, to be revealed on Tuesday (15th) .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w24_pBvgwh4

not quite sure what it could be, possibly an MPC clone?

Dave Smith's actions do NOT excuse Uli of his.

I have issues with Dave Smith as well.

When he promises to finish the Tempest OS, then when cumsomers are sick of waiting and start a petition to finish it. He goes on camera and calls his customers "Wingnuts" for wanting what he promised to give them.

I don't buy DSI synths since I saw that.

The arrogance of these companies need to be put in check.

[Hugh Robjohns]

Good luck with that...

But you are right... there are nice companies and people to deal with, and not-so-nice companies and people.

Like you, I try and support the nice ones where I can and avoid the others where possible.

But it's a small industry and so it's not always practical to avoid all the 'bad guys'. Often there are either no valid alternatives or no valid alternatives within the available budget.

And few of these situations are ever pure black and white. There are always shades of grey...

[N i g e l]

Moog & Arp "referenced" each others designs. They opted to come to an agreement rather than spend money on lawyers & court fees.

Brains...
https://youtu.be/U59OzyB6lBM

This is getting crazy, it’s just a rip-off of Braids, but at least, that’s not made anymore!
What next?

Im not upto speed on this but I think braids/plaits are open source and are also used in the Arturia Microfreak & can be used in the Korg Prologue ???

[BJG145]

I'm not up to speed on this but I think braids/plaits are open source

...yes, likewise...so Braids is discontinued...but there's a replacement called Plaits...? But it's open-source and there are already various versions of it out there, so Behringer's isn't exactly original, but doesn't sound like a capital offence...?

[DGL.]

Moog & Arp "referenced" each others designs. They opted to come to an agreement rather than spend money on lawyers & court fees.

Brains...
https://youtu.be/U59OzyB6lBM

This is getting crazy, it’s just a rip-off of Braids, but at least, that’s not made anymore!
What next?

Im not upto speed on this but I think braids/plaits are open source and are also used in the Arturia Microfreak & can be used in the Korg Prologue ???

Yes,

20 digital oscillators including 15 Mutable Instruments Plaits* engines for infinite sound creation

https://www.behringer.com/behringer/pro ... Code=P0E6H

It seems to have more models than the plaits, plus it has the waveform OLED display.

Visible Wavelengths
If having 20 digital oscillator modes wasn’t cool enough, BRAINS has an integrated and inspiring OLED display so you can visualize and adjust waveforms exactly the way you want them to be. Plus, having a screen with dancing waveforms on your synth is just plain awesome!

So it is using open source software (which is linked to on the product page) plus some extras done by them, so nothing really wrong there. Remember Arturia claimed they had worked with Mutable on the microfreak but in the end all they had used was the open source software, and Mutable rightly got a bit annoyed at that.
I also understand that this is the work of their Italian division, if that matters.

[Arpangel]

Modular has been very expensive up until now, especially if you’re not into DIY.
OK, you could buy a Zeus and make a cardboard box but modules were still relatively expensive. Full marks to Benringer for changing this, they give you an oscillator a filter and a VCA in one module that’s under £100, ad a couple of other cheap modules and you have a full blown synth, I bought that 2500 double EG it cost £49.
All this has to be a good thing IMO, not saying I agree with a lot of Behringers decisions, but this has opened up a whole new world to people who couldn’t afford it before.

[DGL.]

Update on the DS80

DS-80 Breakthrough. John from our UK Manchester office is currently working on replicating the 50 year old CS-80 voice board. Today we celebrated a major success as all critical functions such as VCF and envelopes now perform 100% identically.
Re-engineering a nearly 50 year old design is not trivial. All chips are no longer available and any documentation for these semiconductors is also lost.
John is painstakingly measuring every function of the CS-80 voice board, while redesigning the circuitry with current components. This exercise alone has been taking around one year, because the CS-80 employs a very unusual VCO, VCF and wave-shaper design, which gives the synth its unique and incredibly beautiful sound.
The next step is to complete the VCO and wave-shaper circuitry and then build our own voice board for final testing and comparison.
John is our "analog guru" and he has been with Midas for 20 years, while working in the audio industry for over 40 years for companies such as Amek but also directly with Rupert Neve. He is one of the world's best analog engineers and if someone can create the DS-80, then it's John.
We're all extremely excited to build a 100% authentic CS-80 and make it affordable for everyone. Stay tuned...

[Hugh Robjohns]

My heart is lifted and the sun is shining a little stronger...

[DGL.]

My heart is lifted and the sun is shining a little stronger...

Though you might be that bit of news from Behringer, I get the impression that you might want to acquire a DS80 when it's released

[Hugh Robjohns]

I deeply regret selling my original CS80 25 years ago.

I couldn't possibly justify buying a replacement now that they swap hands for £25k plus. Moreover, mine went through a handful of IG chips through age-related failure and 25 years further on I dread to think how expensive and difficult it would be to maintain and source replacements today!

While I'm no fan of some of Uli's business practices, if his team can come up with a modern, affordable clone that sounds and performs as well as the original then I would be willing to bite my lip and acquire one. But it really would have to be right in every performance aspect...

[johnny h]

So it is using open source software (which is linked to on the product page) plus some extras done by them, so nothing really wrong there. Remember Arturia claimed they had worked with Mutable on the microfreak but in the end all they had used was the open source software, and Mutable rightly got a bit annoyed at that.
I also understand that this is the work of their Italian division, if that matters.

Absolutely insane to release stuff like this as 'open source', especially when there are so many bottom-feeder copycats out there.

All that work, just so some mega rich corporation can copy it, manufacture it cheaper in china and outmarket you. Hope they've learnt their lesson.

[DGL.]

So it is using open source software (which is linked to on the product page) plus some extras done by them, so nothing really wrong there. Remember Arturia claimed they had worked with Mutable on the microfreak but in the end all they had used was the open source software, and Mutable rightly got a bit annoyed at that.
I also understand that this is the work of their Italian division, if that matters.

Absolutely insane to release stuff like this as 'open source', especially when there are so many bottom-feeder copycats out there.

All that work, just so some mega rich corporation can copy it, manufacture it cheaper in china and outmarket you. Hope they've learnt their lesson.

And under one of the least restrictive licences too, which to me does seem a bit strange.
Of course until the likes of Behringer came along modular was generally done by boutique manufacturers and was a low volume product so the chances of someone making your product for less was not really thought about, and that releasing the source code in this way was probably only really meant for DIY makers.
Behringer has probably got a lot more people into eurorack and they will want more than just the Behringer modules so it could be a case of taking away with one hand and giving with another.