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ef37a wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:25 pm Well, I cannot speaker too highly of the MOTU M4. No DSP but then if you want lower cost something has to give.
Personally I would get the excellent but more cost effective M4 for now and put the rest of your budget toward truly excellent monitors. The way audio physics works you can have very accurate small monitors that have a limited low frequency response, fall off below 80Hz say and they would be first class for vocal work. To go down another octave AND keep that super faithful midband costs a LOT more money plus you need a much better room. There are in fact very few systems that can claim 30Hz to 25kHz and deliver completely natural voices under $10,000 or so.

The MOTU M4 certainly seems to be a decent interface but I do need the DSP unfortunately.

It's an interesting point that you make about getting very accurate small monitors that are excellent for vocal work, rather than getting something that covers the lower frequencies well at the expense of the midband, or spending thousands on excellent full-spectrum monitors and room treatment. It makes more sense to do what you suggest and then hire a studio with expensive speakers and room treatment to do the final mix.

Are there any particular monitors that you can recommend?
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Doveman wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:23 pm hire a studio with expensive speakers and room treatment to do the final mix.

If you do this, hire an experienced engineer too!
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Re: Audio interface and mic for male vocals

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Exalted Wombat wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:30 pm If you do this, hire an experienced engineer too!

Oh definitely. I'd just be wasting money hiring a studio without also hiring an experienced engineer who knows what he's doing!
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Doveman wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:23 pm Are there any particular monitors that you can recommend?

Personally I'd be looking at the Neumann range. I've used the KH120s a few times and found them good. The smaller KH80s are supposed to be even better in many respects and are also supposed to work well with the Neumann sub if you need more bass.
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Re: Audio interface and mic for male vocals

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Focal Alpha range are very good.
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Re: Audio interface and mic for male vocals

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Two excellent suggestions. Also, if you have a particular pro studio in mind it could be worth visiting them to see what monitors they use?

They will probably be very expensive monsters (most probably more than one brand) but if say drool inducing Genelecs you could find a smaller version that will likely have the 'house sound'.

The studio might even have a very small but good pair that they use for location work...ask.

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James Perrett wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:40 pm Personally I'd be looking at the Neumann range. I've used the KH120s a few times and found them good. The smaller KH80s are supposed to be even better in many respects and are also supposed to work well with the Neumann sub if you need more bass.

Thanks, I'll check them out. The KH120s are a bit pricey at £1,200/pair but the KH80s are more affordable at £720/pair and as you say, I can always add a sub in future if I can properly utilise it in my space.
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Re: Audio interface and mic for male vocals

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resistorman wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:29 pm Focal Alpha range are very good.

I actually added the Focal Alpha Evo 65 to my list recently after reading glowing reviews of them. At £520/pair they're £200 cheaper than the Neumann KH80s and the 6.5" woofer is bigger than the KH80s (4") and the KH120s (5.25"), but I don't mind paying the extra for the KH80s if they're noticeably better for my purposes.

It was also said that the Kali LP-6 or the JBL LSR305 are 90% as good as the Evo 65s at 20% of the cost, although that's not true anymore (if it ever was) as the LP-6s are £300/pair and the LSR305s are £240/pair.
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Re: Audio interface and mic for male vocals

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ef37a wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:21 pm Two excellent suggestions. Also, if you have a particular pro studio in mind it could be worth visiting them to see what monitors they use?

They will probably be very expensive monsters (most probably more than one brand) but if say drool inducing Genelecs you could find a smaller version that will likely have the 'house sound'.

The studio might even have a very small but good pair that they use for location work...ask.

Dave.

Thanks, that's a good idea.
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When I auditioned a few things a couple of years ago the KH80 were, to my ears, the best in the price range.
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Doveman wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:23 pm ……….. or spending thousands on excellent full-spectrum monitors and room treatment. It makes more sense to do what you suggest and then hire a studio with expensive speakers and room treatment to do the final mix.

Are there any particular monitors that you can recommend?

I’ve been following this thread and the above reply rang alarm bells for me.

If you’re recording vocals in an untreated room you’ll have a significant problem! Room treatment really needs to be near the top of your ‘purchase list’.

At the beginning of the thread you were also looking at a vocal microphone. I don’t know if it was covered earlier, but the quality of the interface pales into insignificance relative to microphone choice and room treatment. Did you buy the Aston?

Regarding interface I’ve never had a problem with latency and it’s a good idea not to commit any effects on your (self-recorded) vocals on the way in - so probably all you need is some comfort reverb for tracking and I’d have thought most interfaces would offer that with minimal penalty.

Regarding interfaces, I’m a UAD Apollo user and, as said above, I only use reverb for monitoring. No problems there, but I do have a range of vocal mics and professionally designed room treatment. I also happily use an SSL 2 or MixPre 10 as an interface. If I was buying new I’d consider RME based on the very good comments around here, but I doubt anyone listening to my projects would notice the difference as to which interface I used! The point regarding UAD plugs-ins is worthy of repeating. I enjoy them very much, but there are now many good alternatives.

Regarding monitors I swapped out my PMC Result6 monitors for Neumann KH80s and couldn’t be happier - but of course having a treated room helps.

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Just emphasising Bob's point, I was involved last night in a regular livestream discussion on things audio, where someone posed the question about 'what's the best thing you can buy to improve your sound?'

As expected, there were multiple opinions on this kit, or that kit, or this software, that software, but until I opined, no-one mentioned room treatment. IME getting some room treatment in place - even if not covering absolutely all the bases - is by far the best thing I've done to improve the quality of my sound.

It can be done for much less than some of the figures being discussed here and can be the base on which you then decide whether/not you need to upgrade. Buying kit (more interesting and exciting though it be) without sorting the acoustics is a recipe for wasting money - or at least potentially spending it unnecessarily
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