Audio interface and mic for male vocals

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Post by Doveman »

Bob Bickerton wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:35 pm Just a correction - UAD interfaces are currently USB or Thunderbolt - not FireWire. https://www.uaudio.com/audio-interfaces.html

The Apollo range have the built in DSP for low latency monitoring with plug-ins. The Apollo Solo is currently 400 quid in the UK.

Sorry, I should have checked my own post on the first page! I meant Thunderbolt, not Firewire. All the newer Apollo models, (i.e. excluding the original Solo and Twin) are Thunderbolt, so even though UAD may still support the older models for now, there's a risk they may neglect the USB drivers going forward.

I ruled out the Apollo Solo because its DSP is too underpowered and with the RME at £650 that seems like a much better deal.
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Doveman wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:34 pm Just revisiting this topic as I haven't got round to buying the Babyface Pro yet as it's been out of stock every time I checked, and is still only available to pre-order for £680-700. So I was wondering if there's anything new that's as good (or better) and maybe cheaper or more readily

Studiocare have limited stock of the babyface right now if you’re still looking…
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Re: Audio interface and mic for male vocals

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jaminem wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:11 pm Studiocare have limited stock of the babyface right now if you’re still looking…

Thanks but their pricing is a bit much for me at £723. I've pre-ordered with dv247 for £648 and their estimated stock date keeps getting pushed back a day every day, so hopefully they get some soon. Scan have got it in stock for £689 but I'm not in a rush, so I'd rather wait and save £50.

I've just found out that the two headphone outputs can't be fed with different mixes though, so I'm rethinking whether the BFP is right for me. It also doesn't seem to come with a PSU. I've probably got one I can use in my box of PSUs, so it's not a deal breaker, it just seems a bit mean considering how much it costs.
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Re: Audio interface and mic for male vocals

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I'm considering whether I should just get the UAD Apollo Solo USB Heritage Edition for £399. It still doesn't have two headphone buses and the DSP may be too underpowered but maybe if I'm only using it for a bit of reverb, EQ, and compression on the headphone output when recording vocals, it will be able to cope.

The BFP doesn't even have compression, only reverb and EQ, so if the Apollo Solo can only manage to do that it will be as useful as the BFP.

The Apollo Twin X Duo TB3 Heritage Edition is £759, which isn't that much more than the BFP but I'd have to spend another £100+ on a TB3 PCI-E card and cable (assuming my motherboard even has a TB3 header).

The only other option I can think of is to get the SSL2+ for £219, which does appear to have two separate headphone buses but no DSP, and then feed one of the headphone outputs into an outboard reverb and EQ (and maybe compressor). There's still the question of whether this interface has rock solid drivers and low enough latency to be able to play VST instruments in realtime.
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Doveman..mate! If you are now considering the SSL2+ and some fancy external hookup I urge you to look again at the MOTU M4. Unlike the SSL2 it has two extra balanced line inputs. Thus you could simply split the headphone output* (or buy a Behrry HA400, always handy and cheap as..) Run that to the external kit and return it to inputs 3/4. But! I am sure you would find the latency of the M4 more than low enough to allow on board effects. Certainly a bit of reverb (which is often pre-delayed anyway) and compression)

*Not even a true 'split' you just need to 'sniff' the headphone signal to feed another device.

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ef37a wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:03 am Doveman..mate! If you are now considering the SSL2+ and some fancy external hookup I urge you to look again at the MOTU M4. Unlike the SSL2 it has two extra balanced line inputs. Thus you could simply split the headphone output* (or buy a Behrry HA400, always handy and cheap as..) Run that to the external kit and return it to inputs 3/4. But! I am sure you would find the latency of the M4 more than low enough to allow on board effects. Certainly a bit of reverb (which is often pre-delayed anyway) and compression)

*Not even a true 'split' you just need to 'sniff' the headphone signal to feed another device.

Yeah, having read some more about the SSL2+ it seems the quality isn't that great. The mic pre-amps seems OK but the output quality seems to be somewhat lacking, so the MOTU M4 is probably a much better option at that price point and if I do find the latency isn't good enough for me, I should be able to re-sell it quite easily for minimal loss and then look at the UAD and BFP again.
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I see that the UAD Apollo Twin Duo USB Heritage Edition is now available new for £799 (previously I could only find a B-stock non-Heritage Edition for £660).

https://www.andertons.co.uk/recording/a ... or-windows

Being USB, that would save me having to spend another £100+ on a TB3 card and cable, so it would only cost me £150 more than the RME Babyface Pro FS that I've ordered, which is limited to EQ, reverb and echo for the DSP effects. In fact I could probably resell the BFP for more than I've paid for it, as the price has gone up quite a bit since then.

Are there any major downsides with the Twin Duo USB compared to the Twin MkII or TwinX? They're £40 cheaper but only available in TB2 or TB3 so once I'd bought a card and cable they'd cost me about £60 more.

Does the BFP have any clear advantages over the Twin Duo USB, or the Twin MkII or TwinX, for someone who won't be using the ADAT I/O?
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"Does the BFP have any clear advantages over the Twin Duo USB, or the Twin MkII or TwinX, for someone who won't be using the ADAT I/O?"

I cannot tell you that but RME gear does have one advantage over just about all the others? Longevity, it is almost unknown for a piece of RME kit to be 'orphaned' by a change of OS. And, I am sure I did not dream this? Msoft said "Windows Ten will be the last OS number. Changes and improvements will be by updates".
I bet Win 12 is already 'under construction' (I doubt there will ever be a W13!)

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ef37a wrote: Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:36 am "Does the BFP have any clear advantages over the Twin Duo USB, or the Twin MkII or TwinX, for someone who won't be using the ADAT I/O?"

I cannot tell you that but RME gear does have one advantage over just about all the others? Longevity, it is almost unknown for a piece of RME kit to be 'orphaned' by a change of OS. And, I am sure I did not dream this? Msoft said "Windows Ten will be the last OS number. Changes and improvements will be by updates".
I bet Win 12 is already 'under construction' (I doubt there will ever be a W13!)

Dave.

Yeah, longevity and support is definitely important. I thought UAD might be just as good in this respect but if it's known to drop support for products then I guess I should stick with RME.

My main PC isn't even compatible with Windows 11 according to the upgrade tool, although I understand that this doesn't stop me using it, it just won't have some features that rely on a TPM. My music PC is more modern and is officially compatible with Windows 11, not that TPM support is relevant to music production.
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