The future of the pro audio industry?

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Re: The future of the pro audio industry?

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Terrible.dee wrote:
RichardT wrote:There are three main things I’m looking forward to.

The first is software that understands complex spoken instructions - what a time-saver that will be.

The second is software that really understands music - so for example, sampled instruments that play back phrases as a real musician would, a DAW that can add decent backings automatically, or automatically correct a poor performance.

The third is direct neural stimulation of the brain by playback systems - that way people will be able to hear high quality music wherever they are.

1.......Or you could learn to do the job yourself.

2. .....Or you could learn to understand music yourself.

3.....or you could........HUH?!?!?........Why would you want "music" streamed into your brain?......by the way. This tech ALREADY EXISTS......and it is HIGHLY DANGEROUS.

Yes I can do it myself - but sometimes it would be a lot quicker to have some assistance!

Why would I like music streamed into my brain? To get the best sound quality possible and not be limited by where I am.

How do you mean the technology exists and it’s highly dangerous?
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RichardT wrote:[How do you mean the technology exists and it’s highly dangerous?

I suspect he could be referring to infrasound and sonic weapons :beamup:

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There is also that fascinating brain implant that allows deaf people to hear. I’ve met 2 people over the years who’ve had it.
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In the future there will only be one pro audio manufacturer and it will be Behringer and they will copy every instrument that has ever been made until there are no more to copy and then they will have to make copies of Behringer copies and then copies of copies of Behringer copies and then all the Behringer copies will join to become one great musical instrument but it will be monophonic so quite limiting except if Bernie Worrell was still alive to play it and so everyone will take up painting instead.
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Re: The future of the pro audio industry?

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MOF wrote:By the late 1960s, stereo dominated sound reproduction.

From 1930 to the late 60s is over 30 years.

MOF wrote: it tends to be a limited audience and so record companies will only release and fund the necessary remixing and separate mastering and duplicating when there's a sufficiently large market.

My point exactly - chicken/egg! A 5.1 and/or a 3D version of 'The Wall' or 'Bohemian Rhapsody' would get the punters to shift and start buying new systems and new versions of their fav. CDs.

MOF wrote:I myself have never installed a surround sound system, and I work in television.

The UK is especially slow in adopting home cinemas with either separate speakers or 3D soundbars like the Sennheiser Ambeo. Most UK hi-fi and TV stores do not even have any on display!

This thread is about the future of pro-audio. The future is 3D. If you are looking for busy audio studios, they are recording, editing and working on mastering for film in 5.1, 7.1 and 3D.

If you are looking for studios that are dark and close to closure, they have two speakers only. That is the blunt truth!
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James Perrett wrote:
Trevor Johnson wrote: A.I. The last 18 months, for me, have been stunning in how AI, (OK machine learning, mainly), has revolutionised my still and video output. The same must be on the cards for audio restoration, but the market for that is so tiny, it may be forgotten.

Izotope are possibly starting down that route but their current tools are far from perfect and there is obvious potential for improvement. It is always worth looking at the programmes for the AES conferences to see where the research effort is being expended.

What I sometimes wonder is what potential is there for performance improvement in audio restoration tools (in specific areas of course, and to what degree) whether for entertainment or law enforcement. Forensic audio specialist James Zjalic has written about the problem of unrealistically high expectations of speech intelligibility enhancement, seemingly due to the influence of unrealistically optimistic TV crime forensic shows like CSI. As he said, unfortunately at some point the laws of physics take hold such that there's no point trying to "enhance" a voice which was never captured. But in some the belief seems to persist that it can be. I guess when it is able to harvest/extract (including predict with reasonable certainty) all of the wanted information available on a recording, the technology will have done all that is possible to do within the limits of physics. Not being an industry insider, I dont know if or when that will happen or whether to some degree it has already happened. Time will tell.

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MOF wrote:
By the late 1960s, stereo dominated sound reproduction.

From 1930 to the late 60s is over 30 years.

I think it’s fair to say that it was the technology that had to catch up, the record companies were keen to differentiate themselves from their competitors, but only when it was possible to do so. Just because stereo vinyl records were possible in the 1930s doesn’t mean that they dragged their heels until the 1960s.

stereo was given a boost by the introduction of tape recorders in the late 1940s……Inventor Marvin Camras of the Armour Research Institute demonstrated one of the first stereophonic tape recorders, this one using three channels (left, right, and center) in 1949. When several manufacturers of home tape recorders began offering two-channel stereo tapes and machines to play them on in the early 1950s, it looked like stereophonic sound had arrived. But tapes were expensive, and many people had just purchased new equipment to play the LP and 45-rpm records. Once again, stereo had failed to catch on…….A breakthrough came in 1958 when several record companies, including RCA and Decca, adapted the LP record for stereo playback. They used the two-in-one technology pioneered in the 1930s, where each wall of the groove held one of the channels. Backed by major electronics and record companies, stereo now became a hit…… Because few people owned stereophonic record players in the late 1950s and early 1960s, record companies had to release nearly every new album in both the stereo and regular format (which now began to be called “monophonic”). This irritated consumers and record retailers alike. Playing a stereo record on your monophonic record player was sure to ruin the record, because the playing stylus was so different. Record store owners resented the fact that they had to try to stock different versions of each record. Practically nobody objected when the record companies discontinued monophonic records in the late 1960s.

https://ethw.org/Stereophonic_Sound

When Audio Fidelity released its stereophonic demonstration disc, there was no affordable magnetic cartridge on the market capable of playing it. After the release of other demonstration discs and the respective libraries from which they were culled, the other spur to the popularity of stereo discs was the reduction in price of a stereo cartridge, for playing the discs–from $250 to $29.95 in June 1958.

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A 5.1 and/or a 3D version of 'The Wall' or 'Bohemian Rhapsody' would get the punters to shift and start buying new systems and new versions of their fav. CDs.

They’re available in surround sound, not sure how many people are prepared to pay the premium and upgrade their systems.
I think it’s more likely that a binaural mix will be the best option, given that most consumption is on ear buds or headphones.

This thread is about the future of pro-audio. The future is 3D. If you are looking for busy audio studios, they are recording, editing and working on mastering for film in 5.1, 7.1 and 3D.

If you are looking for studios that are dark and close to closure, they have two speakers only. That is the blunt truth!

Surround formats for most people will be film based and even then I think the majority will continue to use Sound bars that project up to the ceiling for a pseudo Atomos effect.
For music I think stereo still rules.
I went to the cinema with some mates when the right side speakers didn’t work, I found it really annoying, they didn’t care. My point is that it’s only 10% @ of the population that really cares about these matters.
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Re: The future of the pro audio industry?

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EDIT: Oops... I typed this before reading MOF's post above...but it seems we are of like mind. :D

The Red Bladder wrote:
MOF wrote:By the late 1960s, stereo dominated sound reproduction.

From 1930 to the late 60s is over 30 years.

Indeed... but there was also the small issue of a World War and the associated economic difficulties thereafter. And the fact that the electronics and loudspeakers of the day were expensive, bulky and unreliable. Stereo in the home didn't really take off until the consumer technology caught up with the laboratory developments, with the transistor. Hence it having to wait until the 1960s!

Red Bladder wrote:A 5.1 and/or a 3D version of 'The Wall' or 'Bohemian Rhapsody' would get the punters to shift and start buying new systems and new versions of their fav. CDs.

Except they both already exist, and they haven't had that effect.

The bottom line is that domestic surround sound is impractical and inconvenient for the average domestic environment with the current technologies. And while it's enjoyable when done well, it's simply not worth the effort and cost for most.

Now, if someone came up with an easy-install picture rail that incorporated miniature high-quality speakers and no connecting wires, you'd be onto a winner... but I won't hold my breath!

Red Bladder wrote:The future is 3D.

For cinemas, maybe. At least until the next techno-fad comes along... But not for the domestic consumer until some new technology makes it easier to implement and live with.

And increasingly the market is moving to viewing on mobile devices, so binaural headphones are a far more likely winner than multi-speaker rooms.

If you are looking for busy audio studios, they are recording, editing and working on mastering for film in 5.1, 7.1 and 3D.

It would be nice if they worked on achieving consistent levels and better diction, really... :headbang:
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Re: The future of the pro audio industry?

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MOF wrote:I went to the cinema with some mates when the right side speakers didn’t work, I found it really annoying, they didn’t care. My point is that it’s only 10% @ of the population that really cares about these matters.

I had a very similar experience in a large multiplex in Brum. latest 007 film, right-hand speaker channel completely dead throughout. But my family who were with me didn't notice, only my composer friend did... and when I complained afterwards to the duty manager he denied it and tried to explain that cinema sound was different to my home stereo...

I walked out and have never gone back to that venue!

So I agree... probably at least 80% of the population don't care about surround sound... or even stereo... or even just full-range audio. They just aren't interested.
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It would be nice if they worked on achieving consistent levels and better diction, really...

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Hugh Robjohns wrote:It would be nice if they worked on achieving consistent levels and better diction, really... :headbang:

1. That's a false syllogism!

2. Both issues are the domain of the director and most directors do not want you to hear clear diction as they are trying to tell the story with pictures and action. Gobs of dialog is bad storytelling (IMO). The dialog is not there to tell the story but to help establish character and add to the overall sound design. (This is not really true for 2nd rate television drama, but that's just radio with pictures.)

Hugh Robjohns wrote: when I complained afterwards to the duty manager he denied it and tried to explain that cinema sound was different to my home stereo...

The average cinema night manager has an awareness somewhere between that of a fish and a shoebox.

The old school projectionists however really do and did care about sound and good images. I took our youngest son at age 11 or thereabouts to see 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit?' and the projectionist took him into the projection room and showed him how the audio was played out and where the speakers were and explained the concepts of surround sound to him. Ever since then, he loves good audio.

Appreciating good audio must be learned.
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The Red Bladder wrote:2. Both issues are the domain of the director and most directors do not want you to hear clear diction as they are trying to tell the story with pictures and action.

Movies without dialogue died out very quickly... Conversely, Radio has always been hugely popular and continues so to be!

Gobs of dialog is bad storytelling (IMO).

I agree... but inaudible dialogue is even worse storytelling. If it's important enough to be said, it should be audible too! :lol:

The average cinema night manager has an awareness somewhere between that of a fish and a shoebox.

This one was, I think, evolutionarily closer to a fish... judging by the aroma, anyway... :lol:

Appreciating good audio must be learned.

Indeed. Sadly, the whole concept of learning seems something of a lost ethos.
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Hugh Robjohns wrote:... and when I complained afterwards to the duty manager he denied it and tried to explain that cinema sound was different to my home stereo...

I walked out and have never gone back to that venue!

Kudos Hugh. It's easy to imagine a less classy technical editor of a less classy high-tech music magazine having a "Don't you know who I am?!" moment there!
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Re: The future of the pro audio industry?

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I'm an old nerdy geek who writes about nerdy geeky stuff in a nerdy geeky magazine... so no one knows who I am... :lol:
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Oh I don’t know. I seem to recall a famous muscle man photo making the rounds!
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MOF wrote:
It would be nice if they worked on achieving consistent levels and better diction, really...

:clap:

I saw a movie a few years back and the chap in that had an absolutely enormous diction.
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Boogie Nights?
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Hugh Robjohns wrote:
Movies without dialogue died out very quickly... Conversely, Radio has always been hugely popular and continues so to be!

Yes, radio is still thee most powerful story telling medium, apart from books!
The reason is that your imagination can create worlds, characters, images suggested by the audio, and it gives you free reign, silent films give you that on a plate, but lack everything else, its not satisfying or interesting in any way to have to imagine the way things or people sound.
The art of good radio is still the ultimate in entertainment for me.
The director Jaques Tati was a master of sound in his films, very minimal, but they suggest and enhance a mood or a place so well, one of my favourite films is Blue, by Derek Jarman, just a blue background, but the sounds, musuc, and dialogue are so powerful they don’t need anything else.
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ManFromGlass wrote:Boogie Nights?

No, Flash Gordon ...

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Re: The future of the pro audio industry?

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RichardT wrote:
Terrible.dee wrote:
RichardT wrote:There are three main things I’m looking forward to.

The first is software that understands complex spoken instructions - what a time-saver that will be.

The second is software that really understands music - so for example, sampled instruments that play back phrases as a real musician would, a DAW that can add decent backings automatically, or automatically correct a poor performance.

The third is direct neural stimulation of the brain by playback systems - that way people will be able to hear high quality music wherever they are.

1.......Or you could learn to do the job yourself.

2. .....Or you could learn to understand music yourself.

3.....or you could........HUH?!?!?........Why would you want "music" streamed into your brain?......by the way. This tech ALREADY EXISTS......and it is HIGHLY DANGEROUS.

Yes I can do it myself - but sometimes it would be a lot quicker to have some assistance!

Why would I like music streamed into my brain? To get the best sound quality possible and not be limited by where I am.

How do you mean the technology exists and it’s highly dangerous?

If you look on youtube for something like "US Military test streaming thought directly into the human mind."....something like that. You will see the US Military conduct a test where they actually stream a FEAR response directly into the brain of about 20 people.

I saw that video several YEARS ago now.....I was actually surprised that they were being so open about this new tech, as it is crossing a line, ethically, that shouldn't be crossed.

Then I realized they were being open about it to normalize it. Introduce the public to it in an "Aww shucks! Look at what we can do now everybody!" kind-of-way. So the reality and implications of what they able to do....at this very moment.....don't seem as fearsome as they truly are.

There are also documented cases where "Paranoid Schizophrenia" was artificially produced by the Military. Lives have been destroyed and people tortured using this tech. It truly is evil, and violates the sanctity of an individual's mind.

Keep in mind, I saw this several years ago now......and if that is what they were letting the public know, then you can count on the fact there is plenty they can do with it that they WON'T let the public know.

And ask yourself why they are DYING to get their 5G networks up and running as quickly as possible?

We live in interesting times.
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Re: The future of the pro audio industry?

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They're definitely out to get you...
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Terrible.dee wrote: And ask yourself why they are DYING to get their 5G networks up and running as quickly as possible?

Because the current generation infrastructure can't provide enough bandwidth/speed to keep up with the ever increasing demand placed on it?

Call me crazy... :lol:
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More likely cock up than conspiracy. From what I see of gov, even given the appropriate number of glasses, bottles, barrels and manufacturing facility they would be unlikely to be able to organise a piss up.

Or, perhaps that's all part of the diversion :crazy:
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