Arranging strings, pop song

[OneWorld]

3. Would you double the bass guitar part with bass strings at some spots (for intensity) and carve the low end out of the strings, so that just the character would remain, but not the frequency conflict?

I agree with a PP that I'd be tempted not to use bass strings, or at least not use them much.

You need to have a clear idea what you mean by "strings". The 4/5 part outlay of the classical orchestra wasn't designed to go with a pop or rock band, it was designed to be the main backbone of the music that composers started with and then added things do. It performs this function very well because the stringed instruments are so homogenous (a cello sounds pretty much like a violin but lower, whereas a bassoon doesn't really sound like a flute).

"Strings" in rock and pop music are often not this. Often they're just violins (as in a lot of Motown arrangements, disco licks etc.) Sometimes violins violas and cellos but with the cellos basically playing melodically, reinforcing the violins at the lower octave. They're not performing a bass function at all.

Where you DO use a full section including cellos and double basses, you need to control what you do between them and the electric bass so the bass part is clear and not muddied up. This is easy enough to do in a fully written part. With moderate moving parts you can even just double them, and it's similar to what classical composers did with arco cellos and pizzicato double basses. The real difficulty comes when you want the electric bass to improvise or play with some stylistic freedom. There's not really any way to make the string basses not get in the way of that and you're better off just dropping them out.

You make a good point there, well relating to the bass end of things, which would be the cellos, but in pop, not really needed, or if used then double the violin parts, but often left out. Although this isn't pop, but jazz, I think the strings fit i just right....

Fox Capture Plan - The Butterfly Effect.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cMhQ_teEoY

And on the subject of strings in pop, well what better example than this, Bohemian Rhapsody - Brooklyn Duo + Dover Quartet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1nGx4DX83U

[Martin Walker]

And on the subject of strings in pop, well what better example than this, Bohemian Rhapsody - Brooklyn Duo + Dover Quartet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1nGx4DX83U

What a wonderful video for studying how to voice a small string ensemble!

Martin

[Forum Admin]

Have a look at this series for some ideas...

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/arranging-strings-part-1

Thanks!

In case you are *not* viewing that article on desktop, you won't see the sidebar righthand links to the other three Parts in the 4-part series, so here's a link to the whole series:

https://www.soundonsound.com/series/arranging-strings

BTW, there are some great other articles on the Series landing page:

https://www.soundonsound.com/series

[tea for two]

One thing I've found useful is to sway as Orchestral string players do.
The other thing is to imagine their bowing hand movements.

If the String part we are writing sitting down at a keyboard, makes us sway, then we are quite the way there.

If we can imagine the bowing hand movements, this helps us in how we write the String parts.

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In relation to what Wurli said.
Pop has steady bass. So our Strings shouldn't have bass that clashes with this bass.

Similarly we can see (hear) what frequencies the singer, the vocal harmonies, the instrumentations take up.
Then we can see (hear) what frequencies our String parts take up.
We can then either drop out frequencies from our String parts or drop out something from the Pop parts : when both parts are playing together.
This way they won't clash (as much). They will have space.

[GilesAnt]

If we can imagine the bowing hand movements, this helps us in how we write the String parts.

For really effective string writing, in addition to all the useful stuff above about voicings etc, it is well worth getting to grips with the various bowing techniques that are available. There is a lot more to it than meets the eye, and it opens up some more possibilities for arranging techniques. For example 'col legno', 'spiccato', and plenty more.