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Wurlitzer wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:12 pm And real Rhodes are a clunky ball-busting PITA, no matter how much one can be tempted to romanticise them.

All we need now is a member by the name of Rhodes to issue a rebuke :)

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Wurlitzer wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:12 pm
And real Rhodes are a clunky ball-busting PITA, no matter how much one can be tempted to romanticise them.

A real Rhodes, is a real Rhodes, it doesn’t need any romanticism, if you’re the right person, you don’t worry how much it weighs, flunkies do that for you.
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I think sometimes we want to get something that reflects something of us as a person.
So I understand original Rhodes would appeal.

I make most of my music on a 2010macbook. One of the usb ports is a little dodgy. One of the speakers crackle. Baseplate is warped won't sit. It freezes sometimes when there's just eight parts to a track.

But I wouldn't swap it for a free latest M1 macbook.

This Japanese Kintsugi (embracing the damaged) is reflective of so many of us as persons.
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tea for two wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:30 am This Japanese Kintsugi (embracing the damaged) is reflective of so many of us as persons.

This could be part of it, but for me, it’s not like that, it’s definitely about making something, creating something, that you are proud of, something that works, against all odds, making the most of things, I think it’s a good thing, it encourages imagination, inventiveness, if you have to think of work arounds, and, it also makes us really appreciate it when we are able to work with things that aren’t compromised or broken, but quite often, the broken, the work arounds, produce far more interesting results, than stuff that is working properly, hence the desire to stick with the broken and damaged.
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I'm a long time Nord user and have several of their Keyboards(5 in total),amongst them my original NL1 which I purchased in 1996 and still have it today in full working condition,albeit a few scuffs here and there,Nord has been a solid reliable brand for me for many years now,I just couldn't see myself using any other Brand with confidence both as a studio tool and gigging board

The thing is with Nords philosophy is you either "Get it" or you don't, yes there are cheaper perhaps better sounding alternatives for the price comparison, but in terms of ease of use and playability,portability and reliability you can't fault their gear.

This is why they tend to command higher prices in the 2nd hand market,as the vast majority of them usually are still in solid condition,both functionally and cosmetically, because of the build quality and they are still light enough to gig with without getting slung around or dropped because of the excessive weight,certainly with the stage or Electro series,you can get by with a single Board if your using the sample editor yo create your own sounds,I used to gig with 3 Boards at one time, now I only use a Stage 3,as I've Sampled a lot of the sounds from my other synths, its so easy to make replications of your sound using the No fuss sample editor and they've made it even easier and quicker to use

A lot of appeal with the nords is the fact they are pretty much Knob per function with the odd additional shift+function options,so your not trawling through sub menus all the time to alter different aspects of your sound, everything is live and you only really need the submenus to setup the initial functions of the Boards like midi channels/Outputs etc, things that you pretty much set up to globally and don't have to alter again, thats how my experiences with Nord have always been.

They have a great extensive sound library, perhaps not to everyones taste, which covers all aspects of sounds,and instruments,Vintage and new however like myself your free to replace those with any sound you want,so you can tailor your nord to your own needs I don't want a rompler with 3000 Variations of a Saw Wave,Certainly with the Wave/Electro or Stage series, you can replace the complete sample library with that of your own,Thats perhaps why Nords are always relevant,I think a lot of People are put off by the Nords limited sample memory specs when you compare them to larger Gb Workstation/Samplers but even with 2gb Memory you can still cram a lot of samples inside the nords File system, don't think for a second that they're crippled because of limited sample RAM

I like the simplicity of the Nord Stage,its kind of like having a great Organ,A grand Piano and a Synth,on stage inside one box with the addition of a few great Stomp box type pedals without the bullshit of every type of parameter editable via a large Touchscreen,when all you want to do is add a little wet signal to your piano or Synth,the nord do this easily without having to trawl through pages of menus, certainly my experiences with other Gigging Keyboard players is they always tend to have a Nord in their setup.

In terms of Cost,they perhaps are Expensive,but when you weigh up the reliability and longevity of the instruments certainly from my years of ownership,problem free,I have certainly had my moneys worth out of them i don't really see them as overpriced for me its been money well invested.

What you also have to look at when lusting after a Nord or anything that commands a premium price,is,is this going to still suit my needs in a few years time is it going to continue to inspire me and be a Keeper,even after newer instruments supersede it,if you answer yes then the cost is worth the outlay, even after all these years I still get that from my older Nords,Infact the nords perhaps have stopped me Gasing for other brands as I tend to compare them in terms of ease of use and having to relearn another Brands way of working,most of which never give me that instant gratification :mrgreen:
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Arpangel wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:20 am
tea for two wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:30 am This Japanese Kintsugi (embracing the damaged) is reflective of so many of us as persons.

This could be part of it, but for me, it’s not like that, it’s definitely about making something, creating something, that you are proud of, something that works, against all odds, making the most of things, I think it’s a good thing, it encourages imagination, inventiveness, if you have to think of work arounds, and, it also makes us really appreciate it when we are able to work with things that aren’t compromised or broken, but quite often, the broken, the work arounds, produce far more interesting results, than stuff that is working properly, hence the desire to stick with the broken and damaged.

I'm broken and damaged enough already without needing instruments that make it even worse. :lol:
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Wurlitzer wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:06 pm I'm broken and damaged enough already without needing instruments that make it even worse. :lol:

No your not Wurly, it’s the others.

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Thanks all, insights for sure and of course, trusted ;)

The 'less is more' vibe of Nords is definitely part of the appeal for me (no menu diving, compact form factor, just the sounds you want) it's just a pity that doesn't extend to the recommended retail price :headbang:

But I get the point about longevity/investment/quality etc
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My G1 and G2ex are actually worth more now then they cost new!
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Arpangel wrote: A real Rhodes, is a real Rhodes, it doesn’t need any romanticism, if you’re the right person, you don’t worry how much it weighs.

I agree with this 100%

I have just sold 3 x Nord boards. A Lead 4, Electro 5D (73 note) a Wave 2. As live boards, they are great. They sound wonderful and are easy to use. As boards to use at home, not so. As other posters have eluded to, there are other boards that can achieve the same for much less. I still have a Kronos 73 which will cover most bases live.

However, onto the real Rhodes debate…..

This is what I am buying with the money raised. Sure, I wouldn’t gig with one but they are becoming more and more rare to find and the prices are rocketing!! If I leave it much longer, a good one will be way out of my reach (I turned down a Jupiter 8 for £800).

Yes, my Electro 5D sounded great. The Rhodes was superb on it but it’s not the real thing. I can understand why people don’t want the real thing (cost of upkeep etc…..) but it will sit in my ‘studio’ with my Moog on top and I’m back in the 70’s playing my vintage funk!!
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Guido3 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:46 am
Arpangel wrote: A real Rhodes, is a real Rhodes, it doesn’t need any romanticism, if you’re the right person, you don’t worry how much it weighs.

I agree with this 100%

I have just sold 3 x Nord boards. A Lead 4, Electro 5D (73 note) a Wave 2. As live boards, they are great. They sound wonderful and are easy to use. As boards to use at home, not so. As other posters have eluded to, there are other boards that can achieve the same for much less. I still have a Kronos 73 which will cover most bases live.

However, onto the real Rhodes debate…..

This is what I am buying with the money raised. Sure, I wouldn’t gig with one but they are becoming more and more rare to find and the prices are rocketing!! If I leave it much longer, a good one will be way out of my reach (I turned down a Jupiter 8 for £800).

Yes, my Electro 5D sounded great. The Rhodes was superb on it but it’s not the real thing. I can understand why people don’t want the real thing (cost of upkeep etc…..) but it will sit in my ‘studio’ with my Moog on top and I’m back in the 70’s playing my vintage funk!!

The bottom line, a Rhodes is a moving, mechanical instrument, with all the things that go with that, you can tune it, you can "feel" it, you play it just like an acoustic piano, and no one, absolutely no one, would use an electronic piano if there was the slightest chance an acoustic was an option, same for the Rhodes.
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Wurlitzer wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:06 pm
Arpangel wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:20 am
tea for two wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:30 am This Japanese Kintsugi (embracing the damaged) is reflective of so many of us as persons.

This could be part of it, but for me, it’s not like that, it’s definitely about making something, creating something, that you are proud of, something that works, against all odds, making the most of things, I think it’s a good thing, it encourages imagination, inventiveness, if you have to think of work arounds, and, it also makes us really appreciate it when we are able to work with things that aren’t compromised or broken, but quite often, the broken, the work arounds, produce far more interesting results, than stuff that is working properly, hence the desire to stick with the broken and damaged.

I'm broken and damaged enough already without needing instruments that make it even worse. :lol:

Wurli I was and am broke :lol: that's why I get broken gear :beamup: 50squid for that 2010 macbook.

(If I can't make music on a 50squid knackered macbook I don't deserve anything better) .

I have considered, were I gifted £100Gs to spend on gear would I get the Synth dream machines.
The answer is Nope. Not even one for myself.
I would get a second hand Organ with Pedal board (Eminent 310u), and a concert Harmonium to replace my knackered Harmonium.
Maybe a Chamberlin (not sure which one).
Probably a Mk1 Rhodes becuase of Max Middleton.
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jellyjim wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:23 am I find myself heavily GASing for a Nord Piano 5 whilst simultaneously screaming:

"How f :headbang::protest::blush::frown: ing much £££ do you want for it?! Say that again!"

The Roland RD88 has 3,000 sounds. Maybe that's a terrible feature in a stage piano? Maybe I only want the sounds I want. The Nord only has 2Gb piano memory. Maybe the truth is, in reality, you don't need more than that for a convincing piano?

Nord/cost ... help me understand!

Jim

Turning to Jelly :crazy:

Nord have a kind of Digital Leica Rangefinder thing going on.
No one can persuade someone that has their desire set on getting a Digital Leica Rangefinder that another digital from Canon, Fuji, Nikon, Sony that offers more xyz for less outlay is better.
Were they to listen to others and not get a Digital Leica Rangefinder, they would probably hanker for a Leica.

So yeah Jelly go for the Nord :thumbup:
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haha, great comparison. but you're talking to the wrong man ... I'd LOVE a Leica Rangefinder :lol::lol::lol:

I'm doomed! :beamup:

tea for two wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:42 pm
jellyjim wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:23 am I find myself heavily GASing for a Nord Piano 5 whilst simultaneously screaming:

"How f :headbang::protest::blush::frown: ing much £££ do you want for it?! Say that again!"

The Roland RD88 has 3,000 sounds. Maybe that's a terrible feature in a stage piano? Maybe I only want the sounds I want. The Nord only has 2Gb piano memory. Maybe the truth is, in reality, you don't need more than that for a convincing piano?

Nord/cost ... help me understand!

Jim

Turning to Jelly :crazy:

Nord have a kind of Digital Leica Rangefinder thing going on.
No one can persuade someone that has their desire set on getting a Digital Leica Rangefinder that another digital from Canon, Fuji, Nikon, Sony that offers more xyz for less outlay is better.
Were they to listen to others and not get a Digital Leica Rangefinder, they would probably hanker for a Leica.

So yeah Jelly go for the Nord :thumbup:

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Post by R_A »

It sounds like you really want the Nord ;)

Though if you've not done so already have a play of the Yamaha CP88.

Enjoy your deliberations!
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