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Dan LB wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:52 amAs for the ‘fader glow’ you can also find it on some newer Calrecs too…

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Ah... well... there's an interesting story there.

I don't know what the current situation is with Calrec, but I believe Studer tried to prevent Calrec from using their coloured ID strips alongside the faders by claiming the patent they somehow were granted on their own 'FaderGlow' system covered Calrec's system too because it was conceptually similar (but physically completely different).

Studer's engineering of the FaderGlow system is quite clever and typically Swiss. But I still struggle to understand how they could claim FaderGlow as a unique invention when the concept of electronically selectable coloured, back-lit faders or fader slots or fader escutcheons, as an aid function identification, pre-dates their design by nearly fifty years, and with at least four practical implementations of similar schemes in existence in the UK alone!

The first implementation of the idea that I know of was with the Painton faders, as already discussed. The next I know of was when SADiE introduced coloured virtual fader slots to indicate different fader automation modes in V3.0 of their DAW, which was around 1996.
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One of the nicest implementations of the concept of changing fader colour to indicate function was from Audix Broadcast (UK). They showed a really clever and fully functional prototype system in 2001 where the actual fader knob changed colour. Sadly, AFAIK no commercial product was ever made with their technology.
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Calrec's system on the Apollo desk (as in the image above) was around the early 2000s, as in your picture and it used a strip of multicoloured LEDs running alongside the fader slot.

In contrast Studer's FaderGlow system uses an end-lit perspex strip mounted inside the fader slot.
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I now want an old BBC console.

Just because.

(I don't want to have to maintain it though! :D )
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:-D

Actually, not that hard to maintain. All discrete components on relatively spacious circuit boards in well-engineered chassis, and wonderfully detailed comprehensive service manuals still exist.

This is a section of a BBC Type D console -- the type I did my first live broadcasts on:
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And here's a typical* channel module:
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*This particular module is supposed to be from an EMI console, but it is uncannily similar to the BBC Type D...
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Hugh Robjohns wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:00 am One of the nicest implementations of the concept of changing fader colour to indicate function was from Audix Broadcast (UK). They showed a really clever and fully functional prototype system in 2001 where the actual fader knob changed colour. Sadly, AFAIK no commercial product was ever made with their technology.

That looks great. I did a few shows on a Soundcraft console with the FaderGlow system and was amazed at how effective it was. I initially thought it was a bit of a gimmick, and it's probably not for everyone, but my brain loves a bit of colour coding and it really helped find my way around when changing between banks/scenes etc.
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Hugh Robjohns wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:52 am
Arpangel wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:31 am I’m trying to pin down those large monitors, I see a Quad 33/50e under the right hand speaker, but can’t work out what those monitors are.

My guess would be Altec Lansing 605A 'Duplex' monitors

Here's the 'hi-fi' version:

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Comprised a 15-inch woofer with a mid/treble horn. Used at Abbey Road in the pop music studios (2/3 -- and that picture looks to me like it's Studio 3) from the 1960s.

Thanks Hugh, they look very much "the part" where’s my herringbone jacket?

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Luke W wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:52 amI initially thought it was a bit of a gimmick, and it's probably not for everyone, but my brain loves a bit of colour coding and it really helped find my way around when changing between banks/scenes etc.

Absolutely. It can really make a huge difference when working a complicated live show on a digital console with fader banking. I've lost count of the times I've become confused as to what a particular fader is doing on my old Dm1000 console when switching between channel fader banks, Aux sends, and masters... Some colour-coding would make that so much easier!

On the old BBC Type Ds the fader scales changed colour depending on which group or main output they were selected to feed, and that was really helpful in grabbing the right fader as the director was making it up as he went along! :lol:
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Hugh Robjohns wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:16 amStandard BBC practice was to use 23

Oh- I'd forgotten that.
And to think 23 (well actually -23) became the magic number for integrated loudness for broadcast.
Coincidence or foil hat time? :bouncy:
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:think: ooh! Spooky! :D
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"Painton faders" Ah, Paintons, one of a myriad industries gone from Northampton.
I made two good mates at Npton Tech' in my teens, Peter and Ivan who worked there. I was never short of carbon film high stab resistors or 27V relays!

Fun fact: Paintons printed the values on their resistors and I recall Pete & Co always struggling with the colour code.

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ef37a wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:29 pm "Painton faders" Ah, Paintons, one of a myriad industries gone from Northampton.
I made two good mates at Npton Tech' in my teens, Peter and Ivan who worked there. I was never short of carbon film high stab resistors or 27V relays!

Fun fact: Paintons printed the values on their resistors and I recall Pete & Co always struggling with the colour code.

Dave.

Dave, it is sad, just looking through old pages of Studio Sound, at all the little business working out of back street workshops, London etc, tape machines, sound equipment, all gone, when I first moved to London, I almost got a job with Vitavox, but it was in the postage department, didn’t fancy it.
We had a thriving small manufacturing industry back then, in sound equipment, personal service, you could just turn up and see your stuff being made, we had a Leevers Rich tape machine, that was made in Hampstead.
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Arpangel wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:19 am We had a thriving small manufacturing industry back then, in sound equipment, personal service...

We still do... but it is different to what was around 60 years ago because today's sound industry is very different too!

But there are lots of people writing plug-ins and apps for audio, people running low-cost mastering, recording and rehearsal rooms, people making boutique microphones, gain-boosters, niche hardware, custom cables... all sorts of stuff.

I use a SADiE editor... that was made in Streatham near Cambridge... :lol:
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Hugh Robjohns wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:27 am
Arpangel wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:19 am We had a thriving small manufacturing industry back then, in sound equipment, personal service...

We still do... but it is different to what was around 60 years ago because today's sound industry is very different too!

But there are lots of people writing plug-ins and apps for audio, people running low-cost mastering, recording and rehearsal rooms, people making boutique microphones, gain-boosters, niche hardware, custom cables... all sorts of stuff.

I use a SADiE editor... that was made in Streatham near Cambridge... :lol:

True Hugh true but I meant the big hitters, Timken Bearings, HUGE. Pollard bearings, Standard Valves, Plessey. Express Lifts but of course we still have 'Paddy's Well' but even that was almost lost!

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Things change... who knew? :lol:
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ef37a wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:34 am True Hugh true but I meant the big hitters, Timken Bearings, HUGE. Pollard bearings, Standard Valves, Plessey. Express Lifts but of course we still have 'Paddy's Well' but even that was almost lost!

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Dave, I worked for Plessey, in telecoms, installing the first System X exchanges. Hated every minute of it, wasn’t for me, went into something a bit more healthy, outside.
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blinddrew wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:37 am
James Perrett wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:21 am
SimonZ wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:49 am There are !!!
'Punchlight' have a few options and there are others 👍

And we have a thread describing the Elf's adventures with an Arduino from a few weeks ago building something similar.

The Elf's creation (like his mixes) is well beyond me, but I shall check out 'Punchlight'. :thumbup:

Yep, it would work for this as well as a myriad other uses. It's actually very simple. As soon as I have my latest prototype completed I intend to make a video describing exactly how it works.

Essentially all you would do is send MIDI messages to my little box and it would light up in any way you like.
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