An Album that altered our Musical direction

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John Stafford wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:28 pm Eagle by ABBA had a profound effect on me when I was a nipper. It sounded so otherworldly and mysterious, and I couldn't believe someone could actually think up that sound. I used to experience a kind of ecstatic fit when I listened to it on my brother's cassette recorder.

This is such an euphoric thing to say. I wish i could feel this ecstatic fit right now.

(What on Earth happened to me from when I was a nipper to now that I can't feel this way : the short answer I became a PieceOfS*** lol).
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Re: An Album that altered our Musical direction

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tea for two wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:05 am Our brain is tuned to shut out music all around us even in inanimate objects : else we would go crazy, we would plug our ears just for some peace from the constant music everywhere, constant music of the Universe lol.

I cannot tune out music, at any time, I leave a place where I find it unpleasant.
Human hearing is tuned to be sensitive to voices, the mid-range, animal cries, for survival purposes.
My brain is constantly seeking musical aspects of what some people call noise, also, there are sounds in nature that are music as they are, the beauty of a thunder storm, the sound of the sea, rain, birds and animals.

Arpangel wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:57 am my belief is that we have to break the line, rip a hole in the sky, it’s only paper.
Unless we try and do this, nothing will change, and the glass ceiling will never be broken... you just have to have the ability to jump out of the bus, and fundamentally, start your own journey.


What I was trying to say here, is that originality is everything, it’s not even up for discussion, IMO.
We should always be trying to do new things, in any way we can, even though most of the time, we don’t succeed, if at all.
Also, along with this goes self criticism, hard self criticism, as artists, if we don’t have this ability, you risk being "average" at best, and at worst, just a another disillusioned fish in an ocean of mediocrity.
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Arpangel wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:54 am
Arpangel wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:57 am my belief is that we have to break the line, rip a hole in the sky, it’s only paper.
Unless we try and do this, nothing will change, and the glass ceiling will never be broken... you just have to have the ability to jump out of the bus, and fundamentally, start your own journey.


What I was trying to say here, is that originality is everything, it’s not even up for discussion, IMO.
We should always be trying to do new things, in any way we can, even though most of the time, we don’t succeed, if at all.
Also, along with this goes self criticism, hard self criticism, as artists, if we don’t have this ability, you risk being "average" at best, and at worst, just a another disillusioned fish in an ocean of mediocrity.

I get all that, but just because that's your objective doesn't mean that it's everyone's. If someone's creating library music, or cookie-cutter pop music then originality might be the last thing they're looking for.
Sometimes we have to remind ourselves that we don't get to make rules about this and that their experience is no less valid.
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Re: An Album that altered our Musical direction

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Arpangel wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:54 am
What I was trying to say here, is that originality is everything, it’s not even up for discussion, IMO.
We should always be trying to do new things, in any way we can, even though most of the time, we don’t succeed, if at all.
Also, along with this goes self criticism, hard self criticism, as artists, if we don’t have this ability, you risk being "average" at best, and at worst, just a another disillusioned fish in a very big sea of mediocrity.

I would say where we place music in terms of importance in our life has a say in how we wish to make music.

Where would we place music with food, shelter, health, care for and from friends family, love for and from an animal, a partner.

Perhaps we are making music to provide food shelter health bills.

A gorgeous song needn't be original to be gorgeous (of course one person's gorgeous is another person's roll eyes).
Similarly a song with a message, a Song that means something to us, makes us feel something, none of these are required to be original.
They can bring something lyrically, instrumentally.
They can be brilliant, inspirational just as they are.

I'm not even sure about this originality since thousands of Songs sound different, bring a different ingredient, they all could be considered original.
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Philosophy, eh? Watch out for the ontological feedback.

If we take "It's all a construct" that means a construct is a construct. We're getting feedback.

Originality? It's been done.

Nothing wrong with a bit of arts faculty hand waving as long as you're aware that's what it is. :lol:
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merlyn wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:15 pm Philosophy, eh? Watch out for the ontological feedback.

If we take "It's all a construct" that means a construct is a construct. We're getting feedback.

Originality? It's been done.

Nothing wrong with a bit of arts faculty hand waving as long as you're aware that's what it is. :lol:

It’s very easy to dismiss things, but to face up to them and do something about them is very hard.
A lot of artists go to great lengths to make excuses, you meet them all the time, the ones who keep telling you how good they are at what they do, and you know the opposite is true.
I have no answers, I have no idea about what I do, what I am doing is questioning everything, and challenging everything, musically, personally, even if life is actually worth living, or not, as John Cage mentions in his book Empty Words, about Thoreau.
And Tea For Two, music was the most important thing for me, more important than family, relationships, food, anything, that’s why my first marriage broke down, and I spent nineteen years in an unheated damp flat living on little or no money recording all day.
This all means nothing, my music will probably end up in a skip after I die, but music is still the most important thing to me, second to my partner, who is "now" my focus, but music is in my head, you can’t take that away from me, everything else, everybody I’ve ever loved, up until now, has been taken away from me, but you can’t touch my music.
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Coming up with your own philosophy could be tricky.

Something that you may find interesting to ponder :

Is originality a construct?

You may not, which is fine. Make music instead. :)
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"Album that altered our Musical direction"

erm.......

'Learn to Play Guitar in 10 Easy Lessons' available on CD and DVD
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I don't think any person on Earth can even begin to make a call on whether anyone's music is so called "unoriginal" "mediocre", particularly as we ourselves are limited, are within our confided cage.

These two words"unoriginal" "mediocre" have No connection with Music, zero zilch nada.

Were any person no matter if it's Wynton Marsalis or Stockhausen, to make such a call, it would show their lack of awareness for the existence of music, lack of awareness for the source of music.

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Anyways I'm done with this. My flub to get drawn in.
I prefer to return to the thread discussion.
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OneWorld wrote: Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:40 pm "Album that altered our Musical direction"

erm.......

'Learn to Play Guitar in 10 Easy Lessons' available on CD and DVD

Love it.
So much so I've just looked this up.
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Re: An Album that altered our Musical direction

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Monkey Business by the Black Eyed Peas just made me question everything about pop music. That album is genius.
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Re: An Album that altered our Musical direction

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Oneal wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:44 am Monkey Business by the Black Eyed Peas just made me question everything about pop music. That album is genius.

O'Neal, I smiled so much seeing your video The Meal.
https://www.entegrityrecords.com/
Your humour reminded me of humour on Sisqo Thong Song.

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O'Neal, I listened to every track on Black Eyed Peas Monkey Business album because of you.

It is Brilliant.

From the opening Dick Dale Misirlou sample to later Sting English Man in New York Sample Branford Marsalis Saxophone sample, to the last track : quirky instrumentations, imaginative arrangements, hurmourous fun.

I really like the Sparseness on many tracks : don't have to fill a song with instrumentation, Sparseness can work ever so well.

Union is my favourite track because of the lyrics.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rT_-Ln7eWpw
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