Transferring Cassettes to PC

For anything relating to music-making on Windows computers, with lots of FAQs. Moderated by Martin Walker.

Moderator: Moderators

Re: Transferring Cassettes to PC

Post by Tomás Mulcahy »

As I said, I agree with Hugh. Was simply sharing my experience on a particular project. As I said YMMV. It makes no sense to qualify a general statement about average cassette decks to account for uncommon exceptions. OP knows how and why to proceed and can make an informed choice. Let's move on!
User avatar
Tomás Mulcahy
Frequent Poster
Posts: 2561 Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2001 12:00 am Location: Cork, Ireland.

Re: Transferring Cassettes to PC

Post by BWC »

It's only because you said, "absolute best case", not "average". But I agree, moving on...
BWC
Regular
Posts: 499 Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:12 am Location: FL, US
BWC

Re: Transferring Cassettes to PC

Post by Tim Gillett »

Kerb26 wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:09 pm ...The recordings that I’m transferring are very inconsistent in level which makes it difficult to set the gain properly. Obviously this would be easier in 24 bit, but the file sizes would be bigger...

I agree that how to set record levels is not always obvious. If it was, there wouldn't be so many recordings made, even using excellent gear at 24 bits, which are noisy or distorted, but usually distorted! The great thing about transfer of say cassette recordings is there is a limit to how high the level on any cassette recording can be. If we set our DAW record level a few db's above that maximum possible level on any cassette there's normally no need to alter it. James touched on aligning the cassette deck to the signal on each tape. That is the adjustment to be made for best results. It can't be fixed in the DAW, as James mentioned.
Tim Gillett
Frequent Poster
Posts: 2632 Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:00 am Location: Perth, Western Australia

Re: Transferring Cassettes to PC

Post by James Perrett »

If file size is an issue then you could use Flac files instead of .wav format files which will give you a 50% reduction in file size. Most of the software that I use can handle Flac files as easily as .wav files (my ancient copy of Adobe Audition is the main exception).

And I'll go along with Tim and repeat my suggestion to check the azimuth - using the correct azimuth for the tape is far more important than whether to use 16 or 24 bits.
User avatar
James Perrett
Moderator
Posts: 14344 Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:00 am Location: The wilds of Hampshire
JRP Music - Audio Mastering and Restoration. JRP Music Facebook Page

Re: Transferring Cassettes to PC

Post by Folderol »

In the past, I've gone a far as setting the azimuth for best results for each track when I've suspected that they weren't all recorded at the same time, or even on the same machine!

Not something I ever want to do again!
User avatar
Folderol
Jedi Poster
Posts: 18168 Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:00 am Location: The Mudway Towns, UK
Yes. I am that Linux nut {apparently now an 'elderly'}
Onwards and... err... sideways!

Re: Transferring Cassettes to PC

Post by Tim Gillett »

It gets worse. Different azimuths, different tape speeds, different track formats, different NRs, all on the one tape! It underlines the limitations of mass, automated, or even just unattended tape digitization practices. But try and convince some managers of that...
Tim Gillett
Frequent Poster
Posts: 2632 Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:00 am Location: Perth, Western Australia

Re: Transferring Cassettes to PC

Post by RichardT »

Making sure the deck is working properly is far more important than the bit depth! That said, I agree that 24 bits is the best option for recording the transfer.
RichardT
Frequent Poster
Posts: 4153 Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:00 am Location: Ireland

Re: Transferring Cassettes to PC

Post by Tim Gillett »

RichardT wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:27 pm Making sure the deck is working properly is far more important than the bit depth! ...

Indeed it is, not least because it is a large part of ensuring no damage either mechanical or magnetic is inflicted on the tape. For well preserved 50 year old tapes, their most dangerous time is likely when simply being played. But how do we achieve that in practice? Quality tape machines are likely to be decades old with few spare parts available (eg: the crucially important tape head) and even fewer skilled personnel to service them. How can the average person even test the machine's condition on all the relevant criteria? Specialised tools are also needed. This is another area where 'standards' are difficult in practice to achieve. So much easier to simply insist on the 'standard' of a 24 bit record depth. It looks impressive on paper.
Tim Gillett
Frequent Poster
Posts: 2632 Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:00 am Location: Perth, Western Australia

Re: Transferring Cassettes to PC

Post by Hugh Robjohns »

Hmmm.... I think what you're trying to say is that the chosen 16/24 bit word-length doesn't determine the quality of the cassette transfer source, and that the mechanical condition and electrical alignment of the cassette replay machine are critical in extracting the maximum audio information (ie. sound quality) from the tape.

This is all true... although wandering into the realms of professional audio restoration rather than meeting the needs of someone with a casual amateur interest in transferring some vintage personal cassette recordings.
User avatar
Hugh Robjohns
Moderator
Posts: 38950 Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:00 am Location: Worcestershire, UK
Technical Editor, Sound On Sound...
(But generally posting my own personal views and not necessarily those of SOS, the company or the magazine!)
In my world, things get less strange when I read the manual... 

Re: Transferring Cassettes to PC

Post by Tim Gillett »

Yes and amateur or pro, the result can only be as good as the playback allows.
Tim Gillett
Frequent Poster
Posts: 2632 Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:00 am Location: Perth, Western Australia

Re: Transferring Cassettes to PC

Post by Tomás Mulcahy »

I wrote a blog post on cassette transfer specifically for the casual amateur. In the hope that kerb has not been scared off/ bored by this debate :lol:
User avatar
Tomás Mulcahy
Frequent Poster
Posts: 2561 Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2001 12:00 am Location: Cork, Ireland.
Post Reply