New synth challenge -- the performance drone recording!

[Ben Asaro]

JAM DIARY, DAY 13B. Well, that mostly worked lol.

Switching between Memories is as easy as I thought it would be, but what I didn't consider was the fact that switching Memories without writing the loop means that when you return to a previous Memory, all I would have was the original layer!

So that caused a momentary panic as I had to rebuild the backing layers on the fly, but it was a blessing in disguise as it allowed me to re approach the piece from the ground up.

[Ben Asaro]

JAM DIARY, DAY 14. I think I may have had something of a breakthrough today! For the first time I felt like I was in some semblance of control and actually performing.

[Eddy Deegan]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CGg027 ... sp=sharing

Live notes:

Opening is an interesting percussive clicky noise that makes me curious as to what's coming next...

1:05: Bass drone grabs the attention ... and it changes pitch to the classic 4th after just the right time

2:21: Bass finishes repeating the root-4th transition for a second time and something intriguing gently creeps in in the higher registers with a synth part

Shortly afterwards: additional atmosphere sound/pad? Subtle. I like that!

3:35: Attack on the high synth part becomes more legato. I like that too.

The original 'clicky' sound continues to serve as percussion of sorts and it's very evocative.

5:00: Not much has changed but I'm not struggling in any way to keep attention. The high synth part seems to be slightly more active than it was before which might have something to do with it.

5:56: Click and bass fade out ... then the click fades straight back, wetly (reverb-speaking).

... waiting to see where that goes ...

... it's teasing me ...

7:08: Bass slooooowly fades back in
7:15: A higher octave creeps in also
7:50: We resume click, bass and higher synth sound, gently but assertively
8:24: A little clocked square-wave lead motif emerges
8:50: Joined by another part ... sustained high note
9:17: Hints of a square-wave lead sound, again sustained
10:39: I do like the little motif in the outro ... and we fade out.

Summary: I had no problem listening to it in its entirety as a soundscape and I very much liked the timbres and subtle comings-and-goings within it. I don't think it would work for me musically in and of itself but only because I wanted more to be going on and I don't think that's the objective. As a backing/pad/drone/filler for something with more stuff going on I think it would be epic.

I genuinely admire the way you perform musical experiments Ben and I think it's something more of us should invest time in because it's a revealing experience both for listener and artist.

I also feel in some way as if I'm gaining something vicariously through the time investment you're making in your experiments and thank you very much for sharing the diaries, so to speak.

That was time well spent

[Ben Asaro]

Thanks, Eddy!

[Arpangel]

Always interesting to see/hear what you’re up to Ben, you’re an inherent part of this forum and you would be sadly missed if you weren’t here, and I’ve leant a lot from your challenges and explorations.
But I’m thinking, considering my approach is the polar opposite to yours, wouldn’t it be interesting, if we could do a musical Air B+B.
You spend a week at mine working my way, and I spend a week at yours working your way, should be very interesting, from my point of view, anyway.

[Ben Asaro]

LOL possibly!

[Arpangel]

LOL possibly!

I’d probably be so blown away by NY I wouldn’t want to make any music, I can’t say you’d have the same feeling about being here.

[Ben Asaro]

JAM DIARY, UPDATE 15. I'm changing the wording on these updates from "day #" to "update #" since I am not working on this over consecutive days.

I've been going in whole hog on experimenting with using the first two Lyra-8 voices for lo-fi rhythmic sounds. Getting everything to line up just so -- the pattern, delay, and modulation -- is akin to catching lightning in a bottle so I've been recording the ones I like as the base layer on multiple Memories on the RC-5. This is a great jumping-off point for the improvisational parts and prevents recording the initial faffing around trying to design a usable rhythm on the spot.

I am achieving this by setting the Pitch and Tune knobs to their lowest setting, and Sharp and Mod to their highest settings, and then using the LFO as the modulation source. From there it's just a matter of dialing in the LFOs until I have a spacious sounding series of pops and ticks. After that I bring in the delay and experiment until there's a syncopation I like. This is usually the part of the process where I end up going to far, losing a rhythm that I liked previously forever, and having to rest the delays to zero and start over again.

[Martin Walker]

You're so structured Ben

Martin

[Ben Asaro]

You're so structured Ben

Martin

LOL that's about the nicest way to put it!

[Ben Asaro]

JAM UPDATE 16. Today was my back-to-work jam (not the saddest return to work day bc I'm only working 2 days and then off on holiday, phase 2 lol) and the jam felt pretty good tonight!

There's a performance starting to trickle in by playing both sides of the Subharmonicon at the same time.

There are still a few perfomative issues I want to work out but things are slowly moving along. The first issue is to see if I can figure out how to get a seamless bass drone. Maybe it can be done by overlapping the overdub? Not sure, but that's next on my list. After that, it's trying to sort out what I'm doing with the Lyra-8.

It's getting there, though!

[Ben Asaro]

JAM UPDATE 17. A little experimentation solved the ‘loop interrupt’ equation!

How to record a seamless drone on the RC-5: With the loop in Overdub mode, fade in the drone layer and record it past the point where you started. Then fade out the drone, which will seamlessly dovetail into the previous layer. (I suppose this will work for any kind of layer, actually). And, voila! Seamless drone!

This does create it’s own issues, however; namely, a sense of motion. But I have a couple of ideas on that front, too!

More experimentation!

[Ben Asaro]

JAM UPDATE 18. Today was a good day! Recorded the 16th jam today and I feel like this piece is finally starting to move towards the goal post.

The 'big news' is that I figured out how I want to introduce the Lyra-8! That only took a month lol =P

The latest version of the piece is a lot more polyphonic than I thought I would be able to get using these two instruments. The rhythmic loop now starts off the whole thing which allows me to fade in the L8 and SubH together to create a massive chord. Then it plays away whilst I improvise on the SubH using another 4 oscillators.

All in all, today's jam was 14 uninterrupted minutes of music that didn't suck!

I think that this will be a solid basis for the first movement, Sun. Now to start working on the second movement!!

[Folderol]

That's a lot of minutes

[Ben Asaro]

That's a lot of minutes

IT IS!

[Ben Asaro]

JAM UPDATE 19. Yesterday was very interesting. I recorded three jams, and all of them were pretty 'meh'. And I think I know the problem areas:

1. In recent jams I have gotten away from panning the layers and have been keeping everything centered with stereo delays. I think that may be a mistake.

2. I have begun playing the piece wherein VCO 1 is a series of chord tone drones and VCO 2 is improvised over top. That works great, but I think I need to bring back simple sequencer melodies from VCO 1 as well; this will go hand in hand with point no. 1.

3. I have to STOP RUSHING. All 3 jams yesterday were totally improvised but all ended at almost the exact same length. Comparing yesterday's aborted efforts compared to the last jam I liked ... there is a definite rushing that has been going on.

[Ben Asaro]

JAM UPDATE 20. Moved a few things around yesteday to better facilitate the workflow I want. This basically involved getting the RV-500 off of the pedal board and next to the Subharmonicon so I could pan layers. That worked well, but it was still missing something ....

So I tried something else. I removed the Rane parametric EQ and put an old Behringer 2-channel compressor into the signal chain. How old? So old it says Made In Germany on the back panel. The compressor definitely gave everything a much darker sound so I adjusted the EQ on the SSL a bit to compensate.

I then made a couple of tweaks to the note choice in Subharmonicon's sequencers.

The jam I recorded was 19 minutes long and much closer to what I am going for. The overdubs weren't perfect, but now that the RV-500 is up where I can get my hands on it it's much easier to manage.

Another day, another attempt!

In the meanwhile, I reached out to a couple of recording studios that look like they might be a good match for the music I am recording.

[Ben Asaro]

Whew, new year! And time to dust this composition off!

I think I may have found a studio to record the piece in: Vinegar Hill Studios in downtown Brooklyn. The plan is to record and mix to tape there.

I also feel very good about the first movement overall, so whilst I will continue to play through it, it's time to start working on the second, darker movement of the piece.

[Arpangel]

Whew, new year! And time to dust this composition off!

I think I may have found a studio to record the piece in: Vinegar Hill Studios in downtown Brooklyn. The plan is to record and mix to tape there.

I also feel very good about the first movement overall, so whilst I will continue to play through it, it's time to start working on the second, darker movement of the piece.

That’s a lovely studio, in a very interesting area, I’d like to record there.
Lovely piano too, that Steinway.
I’m itching to go to Grant Avenue, in Canada, but the sheer pain of travelling and testing makes it totally unacceptable, but I’ll make it one day.
Have a good session.

PS.

Don’t know what your experiences are, but always book more time than you think you’re going to need, and budget for that, the last thing you need is to worry about studio time, you don’t want to feel rushed.

[Ben Asaro]

Yup, it's a 5 hour booking for a 30 minute performance. If I can't get it out right in that amount of time, then it's not meant to be!

It's just across town from where I live, I actually am in that area quite often for work!