Are the older hardware synths becoming the new investment?

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BJG145 wrote: Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:17 pm Vintage synths have been collectors' investments for years. You don't have to spend much time on Vemia to be plunged into that world. The Syrinx went for £13K yesterday.

https://spheremusic.com/Bargaindtl.asp?Item=23725

I’m wondering if the site is hacked. I clicked on the Auctions button and there was a naked woman and an add for Dirty Tinder. It didn’t look like an art photo site!
I guess there’s more money in that than auctioning gear?
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The Elf wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:57 am
Arpangel wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:15 ama lot of my albums have used the Micron, it’s the "piano"of my synth world, indispensable, and capable of really unique sounds.

There's a lot I like about the Micron, but 'unique' woudn't be one of my praises. At least not in the sense that any other synth can't do something 'unique' if you tweak it enough. It does a good emulation of many old synth sounds, but it's all pretty safe stuff.

We all have different uses for synths, and to me, the Micron produces sounds that I can’t get anywhere else, otherwise, I wouldn’t say what I’ve said.
Those sliders, the filters, the actual sound of the whole thing is different.
I actually think it’s not very good at producing "bread and butter sounds" it’s too digital sounding, definitely not warm, it’s not a Moog bass machine or pad thing by any means.
What I find it excels at are really nasty heavy extremely digital "textures" I haven’t been able to get near these with anything else, my modular, keyboards, anything.
I call it "Tod" after Tod Dockstader, it sounds just like him.
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I would be interested to hear some of these unique sounds. Can you point me to some examples?

I'm probably just a bit pedestrian in my editing! :lol:
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The Elf wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:57 pm I would be interested to hear some of these unique sounds. Can you point me to some examples?

I'm probably just a bit pedestrian in my editing! :lol:

Elf, my album Storm Clouds Over Crickelwood was done almost entirely on the Micron, lots of sounds there, the two soundscapes, are perfect examples.
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Perfect! Where can I get it? (I tried a few searches)
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The Elf wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:56 pm Perfect! Where can I get it? (I tried a few searches)

It’s here Elf……….

https://agflynn.bandcamp.com/album/sto ... ricklewood

I recorded it at 4am the morning, I was discharged from Dartford General, after being taken off the motorway in an ambulance, I was out of my head on morphine, and this album came out.
It was finished by lunchtime. All I could think about at the time was Tod Dockstader, he changed my life back then, and I wanted a similar vibe, on a couple of tracks, at least, all Micron, apart from an E-MU Proformance piano module on one track.
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Arpangel wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:33 pm Tod Dockstader,

:thumbup: cheers , a name I was unfamiliar with.

Stormclouds etc ..... I have listend to before, in a work environment, and found benificial. Do you get paid for listens in bandcamp ?
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Arpangel wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:33 pm
The Elf wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:56 pm Perfect! Where can I get it? (I tried a few searches)

It’s here Elf……….

https://agflynn.bandcamp.com/album/sto ... ricklewood

Interesting stuff. I'd still say I'm not hearing anything 'unique' to the Micron, but you're making good use of it, and it clearly inspires you - that can't be bad. :thumbup:
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The Elf wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:10 am
Arpangel wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:33 pm
The Elf wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:56 pm Perfect! Where can I get it? (I tried a few searches)

It’s here Elf……….

https://agflynn.bandcamp.com/album/sto ... ricklewood

Interesting stuff. I'd still say I'm not hearing anything 'unique' to the Micron, but you're making good use of it, and it clearly inspires you - that can't be bad. :thumbup:

Thanks Elf, it’s the general character of it that I like, and I still wouldn’t know where to turn, to get those sounds, the two long soundscapes especially, it’s the way the modulation section works, it’s very interesting.
True, you may be able to get similar sounds elsewhere, but the Micron produces them easily, with no bother, they are just there.
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Well, there is the "greater fool" theory - think of Beanie Babies. It can work for a while.
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Synths, guitars, 'modern classic' cars, unopened computer games, etc. Asset bubbles due to cheap money and 0% interest rates.

But I'm sure TPTB have it under control. Right...?
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Re: Are the older hardware synths becoming the new investment?

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I had always assumed that much of the value of older hardware synths was the vintage variability of sound. I’ve recently been looking at Jason Cooper’s Voice Component Modelling using gated sequencers on the Rev 2. http://www.voicecomponentmodeling.com/

Jason has YT vids under the name Creative Spiral and it is certainly a development that has potential to impact desirability of older synths. Jason has measured the Sequential vintage knob changes on the P5/10 and P/OB 6. He believes Sequential have copied his VCM in their implementation. It certainly will be interesting to see whether Sequential run with the idea on their next release.
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