Natural sounding headphones.
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Re: Natural sounding headphones.
Grado SR325e (now 'x') are the least occlusive headphones I've ever used. I've no idea how accurate they are though. But then I find HD25's comfortable compared to 702's so I may just have a strange head!
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I was using HD25's before buying the HD600's. They're great when listening for defects (like clicks and dropouts) but the balance is more scooped with enhanced bass and treble. The HD600's are definitely better for mixing and more comfortable if you wear glasses but I still use the HD25's for location recordings for their isolation and the fact that they don't take up much space.
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Re: Natural sounding headphones.
Dynamic Mike wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:28 pm But then I find HD25's comfortable compared to 702's so I may just have a strange head!
Not as strange as my head.
James Perrett wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:29 pm I was using HD25's before buying the HD600's. They're great when listening for defects (like clicks and dropouts) but the balance is more scooped with enhanced bass and treble. The HD600's are definitely better for mixing and more comfortable if you wear glasses but I still use the HD25's for location recordings for their isolation and the fact that they don't take up much space.
That’s what I bought mine for, outside work, small, light.
They do make things sound larger than life though, I’ve thought "wow"! about some things when using them, and then when I’ve listened on other things it turns to "meh"
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I think it would help when a headphone is recommended it's added for which genres styles.
There's no headphone that covers every genre styles not even the Outstanding £2.5K-£3K Hifiman He1000se I auditioned.
Same as speakers. Same as we would select mics for specific purposes.
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I think my next port of call is to compare £200-£400 open backs
For a variety of genres styles.
Akg K712
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Audio Technica Ath R70x which I have and Mix on. R70x is fairly near the Outstanding £2.5-£3K Hifiman He1000se just R70x is missing some clarity some treble and a little presence, a little separation in comparison to He1000se. R70x is a brilliant all rounder across several genres from complex to subtle to hard to bass heavy, from acoustic to electronic, more so than the Hifiman He1000se.
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Grado Sr325e
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Sennheiser Hd600
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Shure Srh1840.
Also with Sonarworks sound id.
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*The hidden gem £35 headphones I mentioned is Superlux Evo Hd681 semi open back DJ headphone 32 Ohm 98dB sensitivity.
It does rather well from Orchestral to Hard Rock to Choral to Jazz to World music to Reggae to Electronic to HipHop.
Detachable cable, lightweight.
I prefer Superlux Evo overall balance of sound across several genres styles compared to my open backs Akg k702, Beyer dt880 pro and Philips x2hr bass monster.
Because Superlux Evo easy to drive even from mobile phones they are my go to when outdoors making music on my macbook.
Although I prefer to pair Superlux Evo with a USB DAC amp as my Apogee Groove.
There's no headphone that covers every genre styles not even the Outstanding £2.5K-£3K Hifiman He1000se I auditioned.
Same as speakers. Same as we would select mics for specific purposes.
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I think my next port of call is to compare £200-£400 open backs
For a variety of genres styles.
Akg K712
vs
Audio Technica Ath R70x which I have and Mix on. R70x is fairly near the Outstanding £2.5-£3K Hifiman He1000se just R70x is missing some clarity some treble and a little presence, a little separation in comparison to He1000se. R70x is a brilliant all rounder across several genres from complex to subtle to hard to bass heavy, from acoustic to electronic, more so than the Hifiman He1000se.
vs
Grado Sr325e
vs
Sennheiser Hd600
vs
Shure Srh1840.
Also with Sonarworks sound id.
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*The hidden gem £35 headphones I mentioned is Superlux Evo Hd681 semi open back DJ headphone 32 Ohm 98dB sensitivity.
It does rather well from Orchestral to Hard Rock to Choral to Jazz to World music to Reggae to Electronic to HipHop.
Detachable cable, lightweight.
I prefer Superlux Evo overall balance of sound across several genres styles compared to my open backs Akg k702, Beyer dt880 pro and Philips x2hr bass monster.
Because Superlux Evo easy to drive even from mobile phones they are my go to when outdoors making music on my macbook.
Although I prefer to pair Superlux Evo with a USB DAC amp as my Apogee Groove.
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Re: Natural sounding headphones.
tea for two wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:12 am*The hidden gem £35 headphones I mentioned is Superlux Evo Hd681
Worth taking a chance at that price - bought.
These might be ideal for location work.
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Clearly, the submit button does work. If it didn't you wouldn't have had a double post.
It can be a little sluggish sometimes, though, particularly when using mobile phones. Try slightly more patience...
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I’ll try, but I'm finding cocodomol work better, they help stop the shaking when I press the submit button, I’ve never really been into submission.
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Good to hear I’m not the only twitchy fingered one who double posts!
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The Elf wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:56 pmtea for two wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:12 am*The hidden gem £35 headphones I mentioned is Superlux Evo Hd681
Worth taking a chance at that price - bought.
These might be ideal for location work.
I had to get the white ones to pretend I'm a hipster lol.
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ManFromGlass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:32 pm Good to hear I’m not the only twitchy fingered one who double posts!
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Re: Natural sounding headphones.
The Elf wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:56 pmtea for two wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:12 am*The hidden gem £35 headphones I mentioned is Superlux Evo Hd681
Worth taking a chance at that price - bought.
These might be ideal for location work.
Gottem!
A bit hyped in the highs/lows (lows especially), as if a 'loudness' curve was switched in, but not bad at all for the money. Thanks for the steer!
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No idea how they will sound but I've just bought a pair of these https://www.status.co/products/betweenpro triple driver, 12 hours battery etc. and got a pair of these free https://www.status.co/products/coreanc. £101 in total with VAT etc so unless they're really poor I'll not be grumbling.
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Sam, they're Bluetooth. Bluetooth can't handle uncompressed audio so you're going to be listening to data reduced audio. Probably fine for casual listening but not for serious work.
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Yeah, I did know that, I'll take wired for critical listening anytime but if they can deliver better sound than my Apple Airpods I'll be a happy bunny (the Airpods are pretty good as ear buds go but something a bit 'weightier' would be nice).
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Re: Natural sounding headphones.
Bob Bickerton wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:53 am I used to use HD650s but found they were a little 'tight' on my head. For long sessions, I'm also after comfort. These days I use Beyer DT880s, which I find very comfortable, suitably neutral - well let me explain - they have a bit of a HF lift - but that helps my ageing ears.
I have the HD650 and recently bought the DT880. Am I the only one finding these DT880's to be incredibly harsh?
They are absolutely good for detecting problems with transients, resonances and ...erh whistle tones (is that good English?), but I find them very fatiguing for longer sessions. In that regard the HD650 is a lot more mellow.
I must say I never really got the hang of mixing on headphones. I think they are good for details in panning and reverb, but I always find I need to adjust a lot on EQ, levels and dynamics as soon as I turn on the monitors.
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Re: Natural sounding headphones.
Vlaaing Peerd wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:34 am I must say I never really got the hang of mixing on headphones. I think they are good for details in panning and reverb, but I always find I need to adjust a lot on EQ, levels and dynamics as soon as I turn on the monitors.
But which mix translates better?
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Vlaaing Peerd wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:34 am
I have the HD650 and recently bought the DT880. Am I the only one finding these DT880's to be incredibly harsh?
They are absolutely good for detecting problems with transients, resonances and ...erh whistle tones (is that good English?), but I find them very fatiguing for longer sessions. In that regard the HD650 is a lot more mellow.
I think the 650’s are bright, god knows what the 880’s are like!
My faves are still the HD600’s.
Re: Natural sounding headphones.
Vlaaing Peerd wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:34 amBob Bickerton wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:53 am I used to use HD650s but found they were a little 'tight' on my head. For long sessions, I'm also after comfort. These days I use Beyer DT880s, which I find very comfortable, suitably neutral - well let me explain - they have a bit of a HF lift - but that helps my ageing ears.
I have the HD650 and recently bought the DT880. Am I the only one finding these DT880's to be incredibly harsh?
I don't have the 880s but I've got 770s and 990s and, according to sonarworks, they all have a similar family sound. They've certainly got a high frequency lift, and I'd call them bright, but I wouldn't have said harsh.
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Re: Natural sounding headphones.
New Sennheiser HD 400 Pro look interesting.
I might be looking to change my K712 next year. I can borrow a pair of HD650 to compare, and I might order the HD400 and Austrian Audio Hi-X65 from somewhere with a generous returns policy* to try alongside.
*Do returns policies usually cover headphones? I know they often don’t cover earbuds etc. for hygiene reasons.
I might be looking to change my K712 next year. I can borrow a pair of HD650 to compare, and I might order the HD400 and Austrian Audio Hi-X65 from somewhere with a generous returns policy* to try alongside.
*Do returns policies usually cover headphones? I know they often don’t cover earbuds etc. for hygiene reasons.
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