Common misconceptions of the music business

[Martin Walker]

There are indeed at least TWO Chris Blackwells in the music business.

This is 'our' Chris, the extremely talented drummer, who has posted on the SOS Forums:

http://www.chrisblackwell.co.uk/Biography.html

Martin

[Arpangel]

There are indeed at least TWO Chris Blackwells in the music business.

This is 'our' Chris, the extremely talented drummer, who has posted on the SOS Forums:

http://www.chrisblackwell.co.uk/Biography.html

Martin

Yes, I remember SOS Chris, he’s not the one I was talking about.

[Radiophonic]

Since the beatles came up. I have a question. Around the beatles there was the phenomenon of those screaming girls. I question whether this was completely organic, there might have been a certain amount of astroturfing going on to market them?

[Sam Spoons]

Not sure what you mean by "astroturfing" but I don't think it was contrived and the band certainly did not like it, it was a large part of the reason they quit touring and playing live.

[Radiophonic]

Not sure what you mean by "astroturfing" but I don't think it was contrived and the band certainly did not like it, it was a large part of the reason they quit touring and playing live.

What I mean by that is that it was essentially a 'forced meme' that did not come about in an organic manner. As far as I understand the beatles were a central part in how youth culture shifted post war. I have the suspicion the images they mediaized were deliberatly created to shift things in certain directions. Dont get me wrong, the beatles might be the best rock band ever. Still I have trouble believing that this youth movement of extaticly screaming girls was completly organic. Just my impression.

[Sam Spoons]

I think it was a natural progression, the Beatles got a following, the media reported on it and it snowballed. The teenage hysteria was a peripheral phenomena, related but not directly caused.

[Radiophonic]

I think it was a natural progression, the Beatles got a following, the media reported on it and it snowballed. The teenage hysteria was a peripheral phenomena, related but not directly caused.

I see. Maybe it just that I am too far removed from the whole thing. What is undoubtably true is that they had a huge impact on culture and still have. The whole thing is quite impressive. If it was a snowballing effect, we might not have seen anything like this since.

[Sam Spoons]

They were part of the process that started with the early rock and rollers and the 'invention' of teenagers...

[MOF]

Still I have trouble believing that this youth movement of extaticly screaming girls was completly organic. Just my impression.

It wasn’t the first time that it happened, Sinatra then Elvis before The Beatles.

[zenguitar]

It wasn’t the first time that it happened, Sinatra then Elvis before The Beatles.

And then....

The Bay City Rollers.

Where did it all go wrong?

Andy

[RichardT]

It wasn’t the first time that it happened, Sinatra then Elvis before The Beatles.

And then....

The Bay City Rollers.

Where did it all go wrong?

Andy

And the Osmonds….

[N i g e l]

The Osmonds - they were big - incredible to think that "crazy horses" is almost 50yrs old & still valid.

I dont really remember hearing about fan hysteria after the 70s - is it still a thing ? Scratching my head to remember the Robbie Williams or Spice girls era.

[MOF]

The Osmonds - they were big - incredible to think that "crazy horses" is almost 50yrs old & still valid.

They were booked to do a heavy metal concert on the back of that, the rest of their repertoire didn’t go down as well.
I bought a Living Colour album because I liked the pop single, the other tracks were heavy metal, so that went back to the shop.

[Radiophonic]

Still I have trouble believing that this youth movement of extaticly screaming girls was completly organic. Just my impression.

It wasn’t the first time that it happened, Sinatra then Elvis before The Beatles.

To be fair, Sinatra was not completly organic but heavly pushed by the new york(?) mafia. Might be that there could be something comparable going on with Elvis and the beatles. Interestingly Sinatra was pushed at a time where men were overseas in a war. Sinatra payed off a doctor to avoid service if I remember correctly.

[MOF]

To be fair, Sinatra was not completly organic but heavly pushed by the new york(?) mafia.

There are suggestions that he got a few film roles that way but I can’t see how the Mafia had any influence on girls screaming or his success as a crooner.

[MixAndMatch]

To be fair, Sinatra was not completly organic but heavly pushed by the new york mafia(?)

Wasn't it the new york, new york mafia?

[zenguitar]

Andy

[RichardT]

Still I have trouble believing that this youth movement of extaticly screaming girls was completly organic. Just my impression.

It wasn’t the first time that it happened, Sinatra then Elvis before The Beatles.

To be fair, Sinatra was not completly organic but heavly pushed by the new york(?) mafia. Might be that there could be something comparable going on with Elvis and the beatles. Interestingly Sinatra was pushed at a time where men were overseas in a war. Sinatra payed off a doctor to avoid service if I remember correctly.

According to Wikipedia…

Sinatra did not serve in the military during World War II. On December 11, 1943, he was officially classified 4-F ("Registrant not acceptable for military service") by his draft board because of a perforated eardrum. However, U.S. Army files reported that Sinatra was "not acceptable material from a psychiatric viewpoint", but his emotional instability was hidden to avoid "undue unpleasantness for both the selectee and the induction service".[106] Briefly, there were rumors reported by columnist Walter Winchell that Sinatra paid $40,000 to avoid the service, but the FBI found this to be without merit

[Radiophonic]

To be fair, Sinatra was not completly organic but heavly pushed by the new york mafia(?)

Wasn't it the new york, new york mafia?

Yes, the mafia of number ones, vagabond shoes, the king of the hill.

https://youtu.be/4nMUr8Rt2AI

There are suggestions that he got a few film roles that way but I can’t see how the Mafia had any influence on girls screaming or his success as a crooner.

Thats a quite nice and subtle hint there. The italian mafia was not particularly known to have direct ties to the film industry, but I won't say no more. Haha

https://youtu.be/GR5lgHUtH54