Common misconceptions of the music business
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There are indeed at least TWO Chris Blackwells in the music business.
This is 'our' Chris, the extremely talented drummer, who has posted on the SOS Forums:
http://www.chrisblackwell.co.uk/Biography.html
Martin
This is 'our' Chris, the extremely talented drummer, who has posted on the SOS Forums:
http://www.chrisblackwell.co.uk/Biography.html
Martin
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Re: Common misconceptions of the music business
Martin Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:52 pm There are indeed at least TWO Chris Blackwells in the music business.
This is 'our' Chris, the extremely talented drummer, who has posted on the SOS Forums:
http://www.chrisblackwell.co.uk/Biography.html
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Yes, I remember SOS Chris, he’s not the one I was talking about.
Re: Common misconceptions of the music business
Since the beatles came up. I have a question. Around the beatles there was the phenomenon of those screaming girls. I question whether this was completely organic, there might have been a certain amount of astroturfing going on to market them?
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Not sure what you mean by "astroturfing" but I don't think it was contrived and the band certainly did not like it, it was a large part of the reason they quit touring and playing live.
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Sam Spoons wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:32 pm Not sure what you mean by "astroturfing" but I don't think it was contrived and the band certainly did not like it, it was a large part of the reason they quit touring and playing live.
What I mean by that is that it was essentially a 'forced meme' that did not come about in an organic manner. As far as I understand the beatles were a central part in how youth culture shifted post war. I have the suspicion the images they mediaized were deliberatly created to shift things in certain directions. Dont get me wrong, the beatles might be the best rock band ever. Still I have trouble believing that this youth movement of extaticly screaming girls was completly organic. Just my impression.
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I think it was a natural progression, the Beatles got a following, the media reported on it and it snowballed. The teenage hysteria was a peripheral phenomena, related but not directly caused.
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Sam Spoons wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:31 pm I think it was a natural progression, the Beatles got a following, the media reported on it and it snowballed. The teenage hysteria was a peripheral phenomena, related but not directly caused.
I see. Maybe it just that I am too far removed from the whole thing. What is undoubtably true is that they had a huge impact on culture and still have. The whole thing is quite impressive. If it was a snowballing effect, we might not have seen anything like this since.
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They were part of the process that started with the early rock and rollers and the 'invention' of teenagers...
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Still I have trouble believing that this youth movement of extaticly screaming girls was completly organic. Just my impression.
It wasn’t the first time that it happened, Sinatra then Elvis before The Beatles.
Is it about a bicycle?
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The Osmonds - they were big - incredible to think that "crazy horses" is almost 50yrs old & still valid.
I dont really remember hearing about fan hysteria after the 70s - is it still a thing ? Scratching my head to remember the Robbie Williams or Spice girls era.
I dont really remember hearing about fan hysteria after the 70s - is it still a thing ? Scratching my head to remember the Robbie Williams or Spice girls era.
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The Osmonds - they were big - incredible to think that "crazy horses" is almost 50yrs old & still valid.
They were booked to do a heavy metal concert on the back of that, the rest of their repertoire didn’t go down as well.
I bought a Living Colour album because I liked the pop single, the other tracks were heavy metal, so that went back to the shop.
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To be fair, Sinatra was not completly organic but heavly pushed by the new york(?) mafia. Might be that there could be something comparable going on with Elvis and the beatles. Interestingly Sinatra was pushed at a time where men were overseas in a war. Sinatra payed off a doctor to avoid service if I remember correctly.
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To be fair, Sinatra was not completly organic but heavly pushed by the new york(?) mafia.
There are suggestions that he got a few film roles that way but I can’t see how the Mafia had any influence on girls screaming or his success as a crooner.
Re: Common misconceptions of the music business
Radiophonic wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:29 pm
To be fair, Sinatra was not completly organic but heavly pushed by the new york mafia(?)
Wasn't it the new york, new york mafia?
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Re: Common misconceptions of the music business
Radiophonic wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:29 pm
To be fair, Sinatra was not completly organic but heavly pushed by the new york(?) mafia. Might be that there could be something comparable going on with Elvis and the beatles. Interestingly Sinatra was pushed at a time where men were overseas in a war. Sinatra payed off a doctor to avoid service if I remember correctly.
According to Wikipedia…
Sinatra did not serve in the military during World War II. On December 11, 1943, he was officially classified 4-F ("Registrant not acceptable for military service") by his draft board because of a perforated eardrum. However, U.S. Army files reported that Sinatra was "not acceptable material from a psychiatric viewpoint", but his emotional instability was hidden to avoid "undue unpleasantness for both the selectee and the induction service".[106] Briefly, there were rumors reported by columnist Walter Winchell that Sinatra paid $40,000 to avoid the service, but the FBI found this to be without merit
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MixAndMatch wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:59 pmRadiophonic wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:29 pm
To be fair, Sinatra was not completly organic but heavly pushed by the new york mafia(?)
Wasn't it the new york, new york mafia?
Yes, the mafia of number ones, vagabond shoes, the king of the hill.
https://youtu.be/4nMUr8Rt2AI
Thats a quite nice and subtle hint there. The italian mafia was not particularly known to have direct ties to the film industry, but I won't say no more. Haha
https://youtu.be/GR5lgHUtH54
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