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Re: Eviola project

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You know you’re doing interesting things (good, worthwhile?) when the technology to realise them isn’t readily available, and you have to construct it yourself.
This is a perfect example.
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Re: Eviola project

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Cheers guys.

About 40 years ago a friend at school gave me a cassette copy of Mendelssohn's Em violin concerto. I've still got it. That was the first time I wanted to play violin.

https://youtu.be/I03Hs6dwj7E?t=16

My dad was a Bach fan and introduced me to the sonatas and partitas. This section has always been engrained in my memory.

https://youtu.be/7y4lcQ7BTLw?t=6

Later on I listened to the Prokofiev sonatas loads.

https://youtu.be/b5pBnp9LZ9g?t=6

Then of course, there's The Waterboys.

https://youtu.be/a4UQJwd3awQ

I had a few lessons at one time, but I didn't get anywhere; far too difficult (and downright uncomfortable).

...so, I'll never be able to play the violin. But I'm happy noodling away on my Eviola, with a dodgy cello patch and far too much reverb. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_6nl2Fv8k4
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Re: Eviola project

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I found the bow supplied with the Eviola a bit short. It had maxed out JD's laser cutter, but I sent it to a local company and asked for more of the same. The extended version arrived today - this is much closer to the length of a violin bow (though still a little way to go).

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Looking forward to trying this out. :thumbup:

This has 2mm bars and 2mm spaces. They also supplied an alternative version with 1mm bars and 2mm spaces. I'm amazed at the precision of laser-cut plywood. It smells like a bonfire, but it's very accurate. The burned edges add a nice visual touch.

(The sellotape is the temporary aftermath of replacing the bow buttons with three of the ones shown above; much lighter touch now.)
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Re: Eviola project

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Good grief. There was so much reverb on that it made my speakers damp :crazy:
Sounds pretty good, but you need practice :tongue:
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Re: Eviola project

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Very cool!
Right now it’s a wired connection? We’re you considering wireless?
An abnormally long bow would allow for less re-bowing and go beyond the traditional. The few times I’ve messed with cello I’ve never been able to coordinate bowing and fingering. Oh wait - that’s what practising is for!
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Re: Eviola project

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It's wireless-ready, but I haven't tried it yet. (It has a rechargeable USB battery and MIDI DIN that I can use with my wireless MIDI kit.)

I've always been interested in trying an electric cello, but I think I'm happy just to work on this now. At least for now...
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Re: Eviola project

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This morning I've been messing around using a Genki Wave MIDI ring to add vibrato to the Eviola. We recently sorted out a couple of bugs in the firmware (this is what was crashing MidiOx in my earlier post) and it's playing well. Now I need to put in some practice time and prepare a demo for Guthman 2023. Next video will be with tuxedo in a woodland glade. Or something. :D

https://youtu.be/Y-NIRcrj3es
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Re: Eviola project

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Very impressive. What are you using for the actual sounds?
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Re: Eviola project

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Thanks! That's SWAM Violin.

https://audiomodeling.com/strings/solo- ... am-violin/

I've been a fan of Physical Modelling synthesis for years. SWAM are one of the best, alongside products like Modartt Pianoteq.

When you do it right, physical modelling delivers sample-like authenticity along with nuances of performance. An acoustic instrument like a violin has a ton of performance techniques that I'll never understand, but SWAM will get you closer than anything else.
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Re: Eviola project

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Very interesting. Very interesting indeed.
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Re: Eviola project

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BJG145 wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:49 pm This morning I've been messing around using a Genki Wave MIDI ring to add vibrato to the Eviola.

You may be interested in this video of the Nova Twins, who use a lot of MIDI ring techniques - they introduce it at this point:

https://youtu.be/Exot5ESgqR4?t=74

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Re: Eviola project

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...ah, that's a Hot Hand, now discontinued.

The other option was the Enhancia Neova, also recently discontinued; Roland picked it up, and then dropped it. I think that leaves the Genki as the only current option. It's not perfect, but it's not bad.
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Re: Eviola project

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I recently sent the Eviola back to Wales for an upgrade, asking John Dingley if he could replace the buttons with capacitive-touch sensors. As usual, he did a brilliant job of it, 3D-printing a replacement bow handle with new wiring and programming. He also added a fourth touch sensor on top of the bow which I'm using to control vibrato.

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I've been practising The Swan by Saint-Saëns. Still need to work on this some more, but it's getting there. Here's this morning's practice.

The Swan - Eviola (Soundcloud)

I'm lucky that he still makes time to work on experimental projects like this. A few years ago I picked up one of his early prototypes for a MIDI hurdy-gurdy, and this has since developed into a flourishing business.

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Re: Eviola project

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Wow, great :clap:
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Re: Eviola project

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Sounds like progress is being made. :thumbup:
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Re: Eviola project

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Indeed, and you're lucky to be able to get one-off upgrades! :thumbup:
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Re: Eviola project

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Finally, some decent weather...and a proper demo, recorded yesterday via MIDI by the riverbank. (Flipping uncomfortable sitting on the branch.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQtE2f6xUA?vq=hd1440

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Re: Eviola project

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:clap::clap: Nice!
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Re: Eviola project

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Agreed - bravo Ben! :clap::clap::clap:
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Good work :thumbup:
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