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Post by Hugh Robjohns »

Okay all you experienced Hydrasynth programmers... I have questions...

The mod wheel, by default, introduces vibrato into all three oscillators from an independent 6th LFO.

1. Is there any way of controlling that vibrato via the mod matrix? I can't find one.

I can obviously set up my own vibrato using one of the five LFOs as the source, and can control it's depth and speed via aftertouch or whatever else I choose... but it's not the same vibrato as controlled by the mod wheel.

I can disable the mod wheel's default vibrato via the Voice page, and can re-assign the mod wheel to control the LFO depth... but this seems a little clumsy.

Am I missing something?

2. Why doesn't the Glide button provide direct access to the Voice module's glide parameters (as well as turn the function on/off)? That seems out of keeping with the other direct access buttons paradigm.

3. Am I the only one confused by the modmtrx 1 Depth1 affecting the parameters under the label 2? :lol: (Don't answer that one -- I can see why that works!)
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Tch! Five LFOs freely available to him, and the guy wants access to the sixth! :lol:

Nope, I don't see a way to access it.

I don't even understand your question 3! :headbang:
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The Elf wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:52 pm Tch! Five LFOs freely available to him, and the guy wants access to the sixth! :lol:

Well, yes... it seems very odd that ASM have left it off the mod matrix lists!

Nope, I don't see a way to access it.

Okay... reassuring I haven't missed anything, though.
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If I was creating a patch with always on vibrato and then adding more using the mod wheel I'd want to assign the same LFO to both by default, so all the mod wheel is doing is increasing the vibrato depth from a point that isn't "0". Is that what you are after?
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BigRedX wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:42 am If I was creating a patch with always on vibrato and then adding more using the mod wheel I'd want to assign the same LFO to both by default, so all the mod wheel is doing is increasing the vibrato depth from a point that isn't "0". Is that what you are after?

Basically, yes... but it seems you can only do that if you build the vibrato from scratch using one of the five available LFOs. Perfectly do-able, of course...

However, the default internal structure has a 'hidden' 6th LFO purely dedicated to vibrato with the depth controlled permanently by the mod wheel. But none of that vibrato LFO's parameters -- speed, depth, wave shape, etc -- are accessible via the mod matrix, so nothing else can affect it.

And in such an otherwise exceptionally versatile machine, that seems unexpectedly and unnecessarily restrictive.

Obviously, in some patches it means you don't need to 'waste' one of the five main LFOs for vibrato. But in others you'll end up not using the 6th vibrato LFO at all because it's not sufficiently controllable.

As I like to introduce vibrato (and control its speed) with poly aftertouch, most of my patches will fall into the second category! ...and it irks me that there's an LFO in there that I can't use!
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I know I'm late to the party, and I've only had this thing for a couple of days... but F-me this is a very seriously impressive keyboard for not a lot of money!

I've barely scratched the surface and I'm discovering new functionality every time I switch it on -- and dissecting some of the better presets is very educational for ways of configuring things.

I've joined the Hydrasynth evangelists... :angel:
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I've joined the Hydrasynth evangelists... :angel:


I give it one month before you’re heavily into Modular synthesizers, it’s the thin end of the wedge. ;):lol:
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As a disinterestred observer, modular synths consume too much cash. (Although I keep looking at the Wavefonix in the current issue.)

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The Hydrasynth sounds like good value for money. Who wouldn't want a CS80, but the latest one on eBay comes in at £55K.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234655829760 ... Sw~PFi9NWp

...still, if Behringer make a decent job of it I'm not convinced Mr R won't be tempted to add one of those to his collection as well... :D
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BJG145 wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:26 pmThe Hydrasynth sounds like good value for money.

It really is, and the deluxe is extraordinary value with double the voice count for layering and splits, plus two extra octaves of keyboard.

Who wouldn't want a CS80, but the latest one on eBay comes in at £55K.

Silly money and a maintenance liability. It is a lovely instrument in so many ways, but I wouldn't go back there, personally. Not when there are easier and cheaper ways of achieving the same sounds and performance attributes.

...still, if Behringer make a decent job of it I'm not convinced Mr R won't be tempted to add one of those to his collection as well... :D

Never say never... everything depends on just how accurately Behringer capture the nuances, and how nice the keybed feels.

But a CS-80-alike will only make CS-80 noises. The Hydrasynth can do so much more, as well!

It's true that there are couple of functions currently missing from the Hydrasynth that stop it serving as a perfect CS-80 replica, but I see no technical reason those couldn't be added if ASM wanted to. One missing feature is the glissando mode for portamento -- I don't know why so few synths implemented that?

Another is the CS-80's output ring-mod function, but I've replicated that with an external moogerfooger controlled using CVs from the Hydrasynth's internal envelopes etc.

But it's certainly possible to create remarkably good emulations of most classic CS-80 patches on the hydradynth, and the macro controls are effective for recreating all of the real-time performance controls. Although very light and a bit 'clacky', the poly-AT keyboard actually works surpriningly well too, which is an essential factor.
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Hugh Robjohns wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:37 pm1. Is there any way of controlling that vibrato via the mod matrix? I can't find one.

It seemed very odd that ASM would have omitted such a key facility... and, of course, they haven't!

I found it today as a mod matrix destination.

Scroll through the list, past LFOs, mod matrix, and macro to the Voice option.

You can then select vibrato amount and vibrato rate as controllable parameters. Easy peasy!

Glide time is also there, along with detune, Pitchbend, analogue variation parameters.

I'm a very happy bunny. :-D
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Hugh Robjohns wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:14 pm
BJG145 wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:26 pmThe Hydrasynth sounds like good value for money.

It really is, and the deluxe is extraordinary value with double the voice count for layering and splits, plus two extra octaves of keyboard.

Who wouldn't want a CS80, but the latest one on eBay comes in at £55K.

Silly money and a maintenance liability. It is a lovely instrument in so many ways, but I wouldn't go back there, personally. Not when there are easier and cheaper ways of achieving the same sounds and performance attributes.

...still, if Behringer make a decent job of it I'm not convinced Mr R won't be tempted to add one of those to his collection as well... :D

Never say never... everything depends on just how accurately Behringer capture the nuances, and how nice the keybed feels.

But a CS-80-alike will only make CS-80 noises. The Hydrasynth can do so much more, as well!

It's true that there are couple of functions currently missing from the Hydrasynth that stop it serving as a perfect CS-80 replica, but I see no technical reason those couldn't be added if ASM wanted to. One missing feature is the glissando mode for portamento -- I don't know why so few synths implemented that?

Another is the CS-80's output ring-mod function, but I've replicated that with an external moogerfooger controlled using CVs from the Hydrasynth's internal envelopes etc.

But it's certainly possible to create remarkably good emulations of most classic CS-80 patches on the hydradynth, and the macro controls are effective for recreating all of the real-time performance controls. Although very light and a bit 'clacky', the poly-AT keyboard actually works surpriningly well too, which is an essential factor.

It’s getting like one of those religious sects here now. You have only had it a couple of days!

My HS desktop is broken again now, this time dead display. still makes noise but a bit hard to control.

I’m going to be the single dissenting voice here, after my jehovas meeting today (they do nice cake) I know what the only way us.
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Hmmm... I hope reliability has improved....
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Hugh Robjohns wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:41 pmI found it today as a mod matrix destination.

Scroll through the list, past LFOs, mod matrix, and macro to the Voice option.

You can then select vibrato amount and vibrato rate as controllable parameters.

I stopped looking at the end of LFOs! No wonder I didn't find it either! :crazy:
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Well, they don't want to make it too easy :tongue:
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The Elf wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:25 pmI stopped looking at the end of LFOs! No wonder I didn't find it either! :crazy:

Yeah, thats what I did, too.... and then I read the mod-matrix section in the manual again... Doh!
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[ACCOUNT DELETED] wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:58 pm

My HS desktop is broken again now, this time dead display. still makes noise but a bit hard to control.


For a person as myself that has to think twice before spending even £50, weighing it up against essentials, reliability is a concern.

I considered HSExplorer after I purchased my first hardware synth in over a decade Microfreak which i promptly sold as music I make is more fantasy oriented and something as HS suits better.

But at the end of the day I cope with 2010macbook and 2012imac i have for which I have various sound libraries.
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Hugh Robjohns wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:33 pm Hmmm... I hope reliability has improved....

I've had my desktop since they came out with no problems, though I don't use it every day. I do have all my synths on a UPS, here in the mountains of North Carolina I can get some wicked power spikes during storms.
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I think I got a dud, haven’t heard too many bad stories.

I was drunk when I made that post, ignore it!
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:lol::shh:
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[ACCOUNT DELETED] wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:15 am I think I got a dud, haven’t heard too many bad stories.

I was drunk when I made that post, ignore it!

You could have been drunk when you posted that so might not mean it. ;)
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My days of still being drunk at 7am are distant memories, 7pm is a different story though as it doesn't take much for me to get drunk now!

You can trust pre 7pm that what I write is just drivel, after 7pm possibly drunken drivel.
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My HS 49 key has been absolutely reliable and I've had it since the start of the pandemic. ASM has had a small number of PSU failures and the odd unit with display issues but as a proportion of devices shipped I suspect it is very low, because just about anybody who experiences a problem is likely to post either here or in ASM's Facebook group for the HS.

You only have to play with one of these for a few minutes to appreciate that the build quality is very good. All the knobs and buttons are solid and the button legends are printed under the transparent button surface and clearly will never therefore wear off. The keyboard and ribbon are very good quality.

And there are other little touches. It comes with a proper printed manual. The analogue inputs e.g the foot pedal input, are high resolution so you don't hear any kind of 'zipper noise' when sweeping filters etc.

Personally I feel that the HS is incredibly ergonomic in its design, and probably the nearest most of us will ever get to owning an actual CS-80. In fact - as has been said - it's arguably even more flexible and the HS deluxe (which I do lust after) probably provides as much synth power as any of us will probably ever need.
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[ACCOUNT DELETED] wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:23 am You can trust pre 7pm that what I write is just drivel, after 7pm possibly drunken drivel.

Don’t drink and drivel.
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ajay_m wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:04 pm ..... ASM has had a small number of PSU failures and the odd unit with display issues but as a proportion of devices shipped I suspect it is very low, because just about anybody who experiences a problem is likely to post either here or in ASM's Facebook group for the HS.

Given ASMs ranking in synth sales, my PSU problem is insignificant, a random failure.
I still store mine upright & worship it as the sun comes up, not because it can emulate somthings from the past but because of what it enables for the future.

Im still curious as to why its not multitimbral. Going back 10 or 20 years to the blofeld or micron - multitimbral digital synths, the HS needs the "extra voice board" to become bitimbral, thats like somthing from the analogue world.
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N i g e l wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:19 pmIm still curious as to why its not multitimbral.

Please no!

One machine, one job. Multi-timbral synths should go the way of the wax cylinder.
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The Elf wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:45 pm
N i g e l wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:19 pmIm still curious as to why its not multitimbral.

Please no!

One machine, one job. Multi-timbral synths should go the way of the wax cylinder.

Why?
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Folderol wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 6:27 pm
The Elf wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:45 pm
N i g e l wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:19 pmIm still curious as to why its not multitimbral.

Please no!

One machine, one job. Multi-timbral synths should go the way of the wax cylinder.

Why?

Complications, compromises and general faffyness. I don't want an entire phalanx of sounds all arriving on one stereo pair. No no no! All my multi-timbral synths are either set in single mode, or effectively live that way.
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ajay_m wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:04 pm My HS 49 key has been absolutely reliable and I've had it since the start of the pandemic. ASM has had a small number of PSU failures and the odd unit with display issues but as a proportion of devices shipped I suspect it is very low, because just about anybody who experiences a problem is likely to post either here or in ASM's Facebook group for the HS.

You only have to play with one of these for a few minutes to appreciate that the build quality is very good. All the knobs and buttons are solid and the button legends are printed under the transparent button surface and clearly will never therefore wear off. The keyboard and ribbon are very good quality.

I think I will still get HSExplorer at some point.
Just it's portability 8 AA batteries.
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something I will test on HSExplorer should I get to dv247 in Romford.
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The Elf wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:45 pm
N i g e l wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:19 pmIm still curious as to why its not multitimbral.

Please no!

One machine, one job. Multi-timbral synths should go the way of the wax cylinder.

Sir ,

Synths 4 all !

Guitar synthesists may require to play 6 monosynth sounds at once [or 4,5..12 whatever.

Drummers may require to play, I dunno 10 or more ?

If we pick "16 channels" as a nice round number, thats enough to keep even the KB players happy with their layers, splits and arppegiators.

Maybe I think we should agree to differ on this !
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The Elf wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 6:32 pm
Folderol wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 6:27 pm
The Elf wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:45 pm
N i g e l wrote: Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:19 pmIm still curious as to why its not multitimbral.

Please no!

One machine, one job. Multi-timbral synths should go the way of the wax cylinder.

Why?

Complications, compromises and general faffyness. I don't want an entire phalanx of sounds all arriving on one stereo pair. No no no! All my multi-timbral synths are either set in single mode, or effectively live that way.

Well, each to his own I suppose, but I'd find that quite limiting.
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