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Mickster wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:41 pmwhen YouTube is playing their commercials (before the video) there is never a problem.

This is the bit that is bugging me here! It doesn't make sense to me.
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Re: Zoom R16 Problem ??

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I don't know how the R16 drivers work, but the Zoom U44 can produce sound from YouTube at the same time as playing sound from Reaper so there must be some kind of software mixing going on in the interface driver.
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Re: Zoom R16 Problem ??

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Mickster wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:41 pm ....so I have to think it's some sort of "overload" problem for the Lenovo when viewing YouTube vids.

Is your CPU getting overloaded? Pull up task manager and you can see what the CPU usage is. It seems unlikely, as you said it worked previously.

James Perrett wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:13 pm I don't know how the R16 drivers work, but the Zoom U44 can produce sound from YouTube at the same time as playing sound from Reaper so there must be some kind of software mixing going on in the interface driver.

The U44 then has a 'multi-client' driver. The R16 may or may not, which @Mickster could shed some light on.
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I pulled up the CPU usage and watched it while using the R16 and while not. Both times playing YT vids. It didn't spike very high at all for either. As for a "multi-client" driver for the R16....I admit I have no idea what you're referring to...so...please expand on it. I'm using the Zoom R16 drivers from their website.

I've been convinced that the problem was overloading the Lenovo because...taking the R16 out of the loop solves the issue. Relooking at it...it could easily be an issue with the R16. But...when I moved I packed up my audio desk completely. The Lenovo and R16 were not even unpacked for some time and neither was used in between. The only change was the wifi password after unpacking.

So...as I said...using the R16 with Reaper is just fine...as it has been for years. It's really a great AI. And after all...that's what I use it for. Playing YT vids through my system monitors and cans was just for fun.

Probably....one day....I'll find the answer...or worse yet...the problem will disappear and I'll never know the answer.
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Re: Zoom R16 Problem ??

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This might be usefull as I guess the R8, R16 & R24 are similar.

Ive got an R8 which I use as a sketch pad. The 44.1 is only a requirement if you want to use internal effects, which are fixed to 44.1.

I plugged the R8 into my PC for the 1st time & had no problem watching 4k uTube.
My DAW didnt work in parallel so I downloaded and installed the R8 driver.

UTube & DAW could play back through the R8 at the same time.
.....Although I noticed that the R8 had shifted to 48.0 [in the USB display]

I looked at the ethernet card data performance on Task manager and was surprised that the Advert data rate was a lot lower than for content.
I cant give figures as the rate is full speed or 0, only the gap between blocks changes.
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N i g e l wrote: Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:48 pm UTube & DAW could play back through the R8 at the same time.

That is a multi-client driver. It can do Windows audio and ASIO at the same time.

.....Although I noticed that the R8 had shifted to 48.0 [in the USB display]

That sounds like it could be a problem. Say you're playing back audio in your DAW at 44.1 Sa/s and then play back a Utube video, does the sample rate still change?

I think the problem Mickster was having is something to do with this. ASIO and Windows audio should be at the same sample rate.
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Nigel...merlyn...thanks! Awesome feedback! I have to see if I can note the same change to 48. on my R16....though suppodedly it's fixed at 44.1.

And under the heading of...." I know it's not important"....I'm still completely baffled as to how in December I was able to play UT vids with no issues and then not able to in March...after moving to a new state. As I mentioned previously, my internet speed is actually a bit better than it was in my previous home. I guess UT could have made changes in that time...or who knows?

Again...thanks for the responses guys. Your knowledge is impressive and very welcome. You may have found the answer!

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Re: Zoom R16 Problem ??

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:thumbup:

I set up the R8 and used it successfully as an AI at 44.1,48 & 96kHz [also does 88.2 but I didnt try that] along with youtube listening.

I controlled the sampling frequency using controls inside the DAW - it was a bit of a palava as the DAW reported that the frequency couldnt be changed because the AI was currently being used by a DAW :crazy:

..but when I closed the DAW down and then reopened it, the frequency changed to tje new frequency and was reported as such to the R8 LCD.

I had no problems opening uTube afterwards, it seemed to have no problem working with any of the sample rates.
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Thanks very much Nigel! I'm stumped...and resolved to the probability that I'll never know what the problem is. Though surely there is one. Same laptop I've been using for years. Same AI (R16). Same settings on both...but reset the R16 just to be sure. Updated firmware and driver on the R16. Same cables as before the move. Changed them just to be sure. YT video stutters and stops along with the audio....but never during the YT commercial right before the video.

All I did was move to a new state.

Can play YT vids all day long on the laptop w/o the R16 as an AI. No audio or video issues. 512 buffer setting currently. 44.1. BTW....I'm not sure the R8 is very much like the R16. The closer cousin is really the R24...I think.

As I've said before...fate will likely step in one day and it's all start working fine....and I'll never know why. Just annoying....not at all really a problem.

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