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I'd really appreciate feedback on this mix

Post by JohnOS »

I'd really appreciate any and all feedback on this mix (and anything at all to do with the song):

https://soundcloud.com/john-o-316118912 ... al_sharing
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Post by Aaron Straley »

To me, the vocal seems a bit too prominent compared to the rest of the track. The instruments could come forward a bit and the vocal could sit back some. I'm hearing maybe too much high end compared to mids and bass
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Post by Sam Inglis »

The production is cool and maintains interest, but the mix is quite tinny. I think you need to pull everything back quite a bit above 2kHz or so. I'd also agree that the vocal sticks out quite a lot.

To my mind the kick drum is too quiet and lacks weight. The snare reverb is perhaps a bit over the top.

It also sounds to me as though there is too much compression on the mix bus. The snare for example doesn't sit at a constant level in the mix -- it comes and goes, I think because it's being pushed down by the vocal.
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Post by Martin Walker »

Sam Inglis wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:11 pm The production is cool and maintains interest, but the mix is quite tinny.

I totally agree with this, and suspect you may have issues with the balance of your monitor loudspeakers/headphones that cause you to mix with too little bass and far too much top end.

There are a lot of good things in the mix/arrangement though, once this balance has been sorted out.
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Post by Uncovered Pitch »

To combat the issues the previous posters flagged up, I would start with two things:

1. Check your mix frequently on cheap earbuds as they will magnify the problems with your current monitoring.

2. Route all your instrument through a "music buss" and compress that before combining back with the vocal on the mix buss which now needs less compression. In general it's a good idea to "condition" all transient-heavy sounds like drums well before they hit the mix buss.

Also, completely unsolicited, the melodic development in the verses could be more refined. At the moment all the phrases are identical/symmetrical. The top commercial writers somehow manage to subtly vary the metre and pitch direction so that no two phrases are ever the same, unless they are very short.

Finally, the intro is very long compared to the overall length of the song. I'll shut up now...
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Post by OneWorld »

I guess it's the old good cop bad, cop routine

The good, I really like this track, has loads of potential but most importantly, it's catchy, any uncomplimentary critique is objective, as opposed to subjective which means fixes can be made. I think you have a good voice, has a certain beguiling quality.

The not so good - I agree with others, it sounds tinny. I can appreciate there might have been attempts to experiment with the instruments in the way they sound, but instruments are made to sound a particular way, why have a great snare drums that is made to sound a pan lid?

Additionally, you loop around the intro twice, but it is catchy enough to linger in the memory after just once round. The intro could be made more of a punch than a stab, if that makes sense, and then you can get into the song.

I am eager to hear the more refined end result, good luck with the tune and if I were on BGT - you got the Golden Buzzer!
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Post by Exalted Wombat »

Interesting. This may be the first time I've been able to say this about a track here - I heard every word! (Except, perhaps, the echo after 'I got a secret' in the chorus - are there words there?)

Is the flip side of this intelligibility a thin, bass-light mix? Maybe. But I don't think it needs to be quite THIS thin and bass-light.

But someone please tell the West End theatre sound guys that if this is what it takes to let us hear the words, so be it.
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Post by tea for two »

This Lady's voice is crystal clear.
It's like she graduated top of the class from RADA.
I could listen to her on repeat.

Re the sound
I listened on House of Marley closed back headphones that hype the Bass for Reggae, Dub, DrumnBass.
Even on these House of Marley it's Bass light, Kick light.

For beefing up Bass cleanly not boomy I like this free plugin bx_subfilter it has presets.
https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/prod ... ilter.html

For beefing up Kick cleanly not boomy I like this free plugin Bark of Dog it has presets.
https://www.bozdigitallabs.com/product/bark-of-dog/

For $29.99 on sale I like Renaissance Bass for beefing up low end cleanly not boomy.
https://www.waves.com/plugins/renaissan ... gLvLvD_BwE
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Re: I'd really appreciate feedback on this mix

Post by JohnOS »

Thanks all for your help! I agree with most of what was said (and really appreciate and considered everything) and this is where I have got to. If you or anyone else can take the time to listen and/or advise it would be great, thanks:

https://soundcloud.com/john-o-316118912 ... al_sharing

Aaron Straley wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:39 pm


Sam Inglis wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:11 pm


Martin Walker wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:09 pm


Uncovered Pitch wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:29 pm


OneWorld wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:23 pm


Exalted Wombat wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:39 pm


tea for two wrote: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:46 am

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Re: I'd really appreciate feedback on this mix

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Can you try a mix with the snare drum down a bit?
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Post by Aaron Straley »

Seems like the snare and vocal are too up front as a combined force and fighting each other for space in the mix. The reverb might be causing the thinner sounding elements, or making things you want to sound up front thinner
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Post by blinddrew »

:thumbup: Interesting track and I prefer the new mix, but it feels to my ignorant ears as if it's lacking some low mids. Like the bass and kick have got the low end, but everything else has been high passed a bit too far up so there's a bit of a gap in the frequency range there.

But I generally like too much bass anyway so maybe ignore me and listen the smarter people above.
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