Yamaha 01v96 v2 channels 9-16 wont turn on

[drickner]

I just received my Yamaha mixer and it has the MY16-AT card in it. My problem is that I cannot turn on channels 9-16. The first 8 work fine, but these won't turn on. I have done a factory reset of the board, and looked through the manual some, but I'm at a loss how to use the onboard preamps for those last 8 channels.

I'm planning on using this on small live venues, so I don't need any of the outboard inputs. 16 channels is fine for my current usage situation.

[Hugh Robjohns]

Have you checked the input routing?

[drickner]

yes I have. 1-8 have PAN selected and 'S' at the bottom, and 9-16 have the identical settings.

[Kwackman]

I think the page you need is accessed by pressing "Input Patch" button on the "Display Access" panel to the left side of the 02R display.
Scroll to the page "Input Ch1-48 Patch".
As you can see each channel has a box showing what's selected to each input.
Do the buttons for 9 to 16 show "AD9" to "AD16"?
If not, try changing them to be "AD9" to "AD16" to see if that helps?

I downloaded the manual and the page I'm referring to is on page 66 of the downloaded version I have.

[OneWorld]

As already mentioned, check the patching. I had one of these mixers and the patching isn't intuitive, until you've become familiar with it of course and then it is easy peasy.

The thing is with this mixer, as i common with almost all digital mixers I would assume, you can patch any input to any channel.

One thing that does puzzle me is that when you say you don't get anything on channels 9-16, are you saying the analogue inputs on the desk itself are not working or just when you assign (or try to assign) the MY-16 ADAT card to 9-16?

When you are looking at the ADAT inputs, your default patching might be set to the 01v96 inbuilt ADAT i/o and would need to scroll to the card instead?

[Hugh Robjohns]

yes I have. 1-8 have PAN selected and 'S' at the bottom, and 9-16 have the identical settings.

You're looking at the channel routing page (accessed by pressing the Display Access PAN/ROUTING button). The S button means the channel is routed to the stereo mix bus.

Instead, what you need to be looking at is the Input patching page (Display Access PATCH). On that page you will see the desk's 32 mono channels (and four stereo channels) shown with selection boxes indicating what's feeding each one. As explained above, to use the 16 mic preamps you need those boxes to read AD1 to AD16 across the first 16 channels.

It's shown and explained on page 122 of the V2 manual.

https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/o ... _en_f0.pdf

Although compact, and a little antiquated by modern standards, the 01V96 is an immensely powerful and versatile desk with a great deal of configurability. You really will need to thoroughly read and digest the manual if you want to master the console and use it to its full capabilities.

[Kwackman]

OOPS, I thought it was a 02R96 desk, not 01V96.
Must have glasses on before responding next time!!
Apologies for any confusion.

[drickner]

thanks for all the replies. I have looked at the input patching and it is set so that channels 1-16 are patched to AD1 - AD16. This is not the first digital console I have used. Church uses the AH SQ6, so I'm familiar with how these things should work.

Any other ideas? I wish I could post pictures of the various screens and let you all see what I'm seeing.

[zenguitar]

Any other ideas? I wish I could post pictures of the various screens and let you all see what I'm seeing.

https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/view ... hp?t=75253

The link above should help you through the process of posting images. We don't host images on our servers, but you can use a number of 3rd party image hosting sites to upload your screen prints.

Andy

[drickner]

thanks for the link. It may be a couple days before I can get things setup to post pictures, but I will get them posted.

[drickner]

trying to post images. we'll see if this works:




When I look at the routing / pan settings everything appears correct. I'm sure that I am missing something somewhere, but not sure where else to look. Also, I can only turn on channels 1-8 on layer 2. not sure if that has any bearing on this issue or not though.

edited to fix link - Andy

[Hugh Robjohns]

The input patch page?

EDIT: Ah... it's turned up. Good, so the input routing is right, and so is the output routing.

Next step, check the analogue and digital inserts points... and check for channel mutes. Then the Gates and EQ attenuators.

Are the signal peak LEDs working on all 16 analogue inputs (if you crank up the gains)? That would prove the preamp and converter stages are working.

[Kwackman]

Hi,
Photos look good.
Apologies if you've already checked this, but to see how far signals are getting...
In the "Fader Mode" buttons panel - the "Home (meter)" button, keep pressing it until you get a window with "Meter" at the top LHS and "position" tab is at the bottom of the screen. Check that on the inputs "Pre EQ" or "Pre Fader" is selected.
Then keep pressing the same "Home (meter)" button again until the
"Ch1-32" tab is selected on the bottom LHS.
Is there audio showing on all the inputs, or only 1-8?

Not that it should make any difference, but are you using one source (mic?) in each channel in turn, or multi inputs at once?

These are nice desks, so hopefully you'll get it working properly soon!

EDIT TO ADD, before the link was changed, I clicked on it and there were 2 photos, including (I think) the input patch page.

[zenguitar]

EDIT TO ADD, before the link was changed, I clicked on it and there were 2 photos, including (I think) the input patch page.

Sorry, I missed the second image. Thanks to the wonders of browser history I've gone back to the original link and copied the second image location link and pasted it into the post with the 1st image.

Andy

[Hugh Robjohns]

Thanks Andy.

[Kwackman]

Thanks to the wonders of browser history I've gone back to the original link and copied the second image location link and pasted it into the post with the 1st image.

Thanks.

[drickner]

I get the signal lights to turn on and if I turn up the gain far enough, the peak light comes on too.

[drickner]

Did some more experimenting, and I'm playing bluetooth off my phone to a BT receiver and then 1/4" into the console. On channels 9-16 I can verify that the input signal on the "meters" page is showing a signal. Also, if i turn up the fader, I get sound coming out, but I'm unable to turn on the "on" buttons for each of those channels. I have not tried xlr input yet. don't have a mic right now. does this give anyone ideas?

Also, How did you guys link in those pictures like that? I couldn't figure that out. The video I watched didn't seem to have any sound on it.

[Kwackman]

On channels 9-16 I can verify that the input signal on the "meters" page is showing a signal. Also, if i turn up the fader, I get sound coming out , but I'm unable to turn on the "on" buttons for each of those channels.

You put a signal into i/p 9, fade up the fader for ch9 and you hear it OK?
But the channel "ON" button is off? Weird!
I assume if you fade ch9 down the audio goes silent?

You are on the "1-16" layer, not "Master"?

[zenguitar]

Also, How did you guys link in those pictures like that? I couldn't figure that out. The video I watched didn't seem to have any sound on it.

It is a silent video so nothing to worry about.

The link you used was for the page on your hosting site. The actual pictures have their own unique web addresses. There should be a tool on the host site to copy those addresses, but I used my browser to open the image in a new tab and then used the option to copy the image address.

Andy

[Hugh Robjohns]

On channels 9-16 I can verify that the input signal on the "meters" page is showing a signal.

Okay... but the meters can be connected to three different points in the channel signal path. By changing the meter point you can see where/if the signal is being lost.

Also, if i turn up the fader, I get sound coming out, but I'm unable to turn on the "on" buttons for each of those channels.

Clearly, that makes no sense.

The ON switches might be being controlled by a mute group, so check that out.

But if sound is coming out through a fader it's via a different route, so check fader linking too.

If you haven't already, it might be worth doing a full hardware reset:

Press and hold the [AUX 1] and [HOME] button in the Fader Mode section while turning on the power switch to commence the reset sequence. (All user data is lost).

Also, How did you guys link in those pictures like that? I couldn't figure that out. The video I watched didn't seem to have any sound on it.

Yes, the video is mute. To embed images you need a direct link to the image file (it should end .jpeg or .png) . Paste that link into the post here, with img (in square brackets at the front) and /img at the end (in square brackets also).

[AlecSp]

All of this reminds me of how relieved I was to replace my 01v96v2 with an XR18 a long time back. That interface was so confusing.

From what I remember , following a factory reset, then channels 1-16 will by default be fed by AD1-16, and you should have consistent performance across channels 1-16. While it's very easy to get in a pickle when you're trying messing about with patching, the default configuration should be simple across channels 1-16.

Forget all the advice to check channel linking, inserts - you've already said you've done a factory reset, so you're using default settings.

You could try some further debugging by patching channels 1-8 to be fed from AD9-16, and channels 9-16 to be fed from AD1-8. Does the problem follow the inputs or the channels. Not sure if the board has separate ribbon cables for 1-8 and 9-16 - it wasn't obvious from the service manual. If you're getting sound when you turn up the fader, even though the channel is showing as "off" (no LED lit), then it may be as simple as the LED is not working.

You could also set up the Studio Manager software on a PC/Mac, which will give a software view of the surface configuration. If the mixer's channel on button is working, but the LED isn't, you'll see the Channel On/Off status in the software.



The problem could be more involved than that, though. I returned my first 01v96 as channel 1 didn't work. It wasn't my responsibility to debug/fix a faulty channel in a 10-20 year old mixer sold as fully working.

I'd suggest that this mixer may best be returned for a refund as faulty.

You might also want to think about buying a slightly more contemporary and user-friendly mixer.

[drickner]

Thanks for all the help on this issue so far. I did another factory reset just to be sure. I put the LCD sceen into the view mode for channel 9. I am able to turn it on/off via the menu and enter button, but pressing the 'ON' button itself doesn't do anything. If this picture comes out, look how the LED in 9 is about half as bright as the one on channel 8. Do I have some sort of hardware issue? If that is the case, maybe I can just return this thing where I got it and get a different one.

Pressing the ON button doesn't do anything, however I can turn them on/off via the menu.



still not getting images quite right. Here is a link that should work
https://imgur.com/F8hRhmo

[Wonks]

You’re still linking to the image page, not the image itself. If it doesn’t have .jpg or .png at the end of the link, it won’t display. The site won’t display .webp images either.

[Kwackman]

Do I have some sort of hardware issue?

From that photo, you might have.
I'd a couple of other ideas, but resetting the desk would have blown them away, and that half lit LED isn't something I've seen on any Yamaha desk I've worked on.
Hopefully Hugh might have an "Aha!" moment.

I still like the Yamaha 01V96 (I spent a lot of time on the original 02R, the later 02R96, the DM2000 and a 01V96- never got to use a DM1000 to complete the set!)
I hope you get sorted.

[AlecSp]

Pressing the ON button doesn't do anything, however I can turn them on/off via the menu.

[Image link fixed] That definitely looks like a hardware fault. Either a faulty switch, or board, or an internal connection.

Do I have some sort of hardware issue? If that is the case, maybe I can just return this thing where I got it and get a different one.

Definitely - if sold as fully working, it isn't.

I'll suggest again, try and get a more user-friendly (and less aged) mixer. Even if you have to pay more, you're unlikely to regret it.

I'd a couple of other ideas, but resetting the desk would have blown them away, and that half lit LED isn't something I've seen on any Yamaha desk I've worked on.
Hopefully Hugh might have an "Aha!" moment.

No doubt in my mind that it's faulty.
And, remember, he'd done a reset before the original post, so there's been a lot of rather pointless dancing around here.

I still like the Yamaha 01V96 (I spent a lot of time on the original 02R, the later 02R96, the DM2000 and a 01V96- never got to use a DM1000 to complete the set!)

You're a masochist!
These desks were great in their day. But a 20 year old design with a dreadful interface, and no easy remote control (I can't count Studio Manager) really doesn't cut it today. Even Yamaha's legendary build quality can't beat Father Time.

[Hugh Robjohns]

Hopefully Hugh might have an "Aha!" moment.

No. It looks increasingly like a faulty desk. I'm not surprised, these things are pretty elderly now.

I have, and still use a DM1000, but a few years back several faders decided not to work and it turned out the driver circuitry had packed up. It needed lots of new driver transistors and many pound notes...

In its day it was s lot of desk for the money, and it's still a very capable desk... but rather antiquated in its operating system and user interface. When it starts failing again it will be retired.

[drickner]

thanks for all the help. I've contact the seller on Reverb and hopefully we can get it sent back and a refund.

Other consoles I've looked at are the Tascam Model 12 or 24, soundcraft SI series. 90% of the time, I'm doing small live events, but there are a few times where I want to do 12-16 track recording. We have AH SQ6 at the church, but I can't afford one of those for myself.

[AlecSp]

Other consoles I've looked at are the Tascam Model 12 or 24, soundcraft SI series. 90% of the time, I'm doing small live events, but there are a few times where I want to do 12-16 track recording. We have AH SQ6 at the church, but I can't afford one of those for myself.

Those Tascams are just analog desks with audio interfaces - none of the benefits of a digital desk.
Soundcraft Si will feel quite a letdown compared with the SQ you're used to.

I've said elsewhere that it's really between X/M32 and SQ for desks with a surface in the sub £10,000 market these days.

However, if you're out doing live events on a budget, I'd now be mixing on glass with a stagebox mixer every time. With what you lose with having no physical controls, you gain in reduced kit, not having to run a multicore (or even cat5), and not needing dedicated FOH space - all of this counts for a lot in many events. It feels scary at first, and you need to be network literate, but the benefits soon outweigh the drawbacks. I spent years feeling I was fighting with my 01v96 but, the day I got my XR18, everything fell into place.

There's a much wider choice of these but, for the budget conscious, and your channel count, it's really between XR18 and UI24R. You'll hear arguments either way, but it really is swings and roundabouts - they both do a cracking job on a budget - as well as shrinking the pack size hugely. Try out the software for both (Mixing Station works on both, and UI has a web-based interface that's like Marmite). Just make sure you use an external router/access point (the internal routers in all these mixers will let you down at the worst times)

[OneWorld]

I had the 01v96 way back when and really liked it, especially as there was the remote layer. Anyway I sold it when I decided to go in the box. Some time ago I was offered a 01v96i for a real bargain price, and sort of hanker after another 01v96 because they sell quite cheap, but they are getting quite old now. If I ever got another mixer, it would be a contemporary model, they are very complex and when they get old are difficult to get fixed. I don’t think I would pay more than £200 for one in working condition, and even then it would just end up as something to mess around with