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Re: Apple Vision Pro

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RichardT wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:49 pm But I’m not thinking of the 1st generation, more like generation 10.

Of physics? Oh, I didn't realise it was still in development!

If so, I'd like to submit a feature request - please make it so my tea stays hot even if I've forgotten to drink it for a while...

Oh, and I guess simple and low-effort nuclear cold fusion would be fun, too.. :thumbup:

(But mostly the tea thing...)
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Re: Apple Vision Pro

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Well that will certainly bring the cost down, but for rehearsal you really need to be thinking round-trip latency. So that's A-D conversion at one end + processing / batching up in source computer + transit time + unpacking + D-A at the other PLUS the same thing in reverse.
If we assume 2ms for each bit of conversion and packaging, then you could do a round trip between York and London in 10ms.

Which would be definitely acceptable.

But if you tried the same thing with London to New York, then your transit time (assuming speed of light in fibre rather than a vacuum) is about 26ms, so your round trip would be 60ms.

Which would be unworkable.
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Re: Apple Vision Pro

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muzines wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:00 pm If so, I'd like to submit a feature request - please make it so my tea stays hot even if I've forgotten to drink it for a while...

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Re: Apple Vision Pro

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Drew Stephenson wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:05 pm Via the miracles of modern science!

How does the world not know of such wonders! :shocked::crazy:

(I refuse to pay £150 for a hipster Ember mug, that's for sure... Three extra trips to the microwave at least excercises my legs going up and down the stairs...)
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Re: Apple Vision Pro

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muzines wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:27 pmI refuse to pay £150 for a hipster Ember mug, that's for sure...

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Re: Apple Vision Pro

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I still think that AR particularly will change the way we interact with the world generally. We just need the right product that looks far more like a pair of upscale sunglasses than part of a spacesuit. But I'm sure that will come.

My old boss was very good friends with Peter Chou, the founder of HTC (and laterly VIVE) and he came and spent an afternoon talking to us abut his vision for AR and some of the very interesting use cases (particularly in the business world)
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Re: Apple Vision Pro

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muzines wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:00 pm
RichardT wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:49 pm But I’m not thinking of the 1st generation, more like generation 10.

Of physics? Oh, I didn't realise it was still in development!

If so, I'd like to submit a feature request - please make it so my tea stays hot even if I've forgotten to drink it for a while...

Oh, and I guess simple and low-effort nuclear cold fusion would be fun, too.. :thumbup:

(But mostly the tea thing...)

I think an undo function would be my top feature request. I can see it would be difficult to implement.
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I’m kind of surprised how many replies this got, considering the general lack of interest in other AR/VR threads. There’s nothing new here, though the resolution is impressive.
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BJG145 wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:05 pm I’m kind of surprised how many replies this got, considering the general lack of interest in other AR/VR threads. There’s nothing new here, though the resolution is impressive.

I think there is - a new operating system for ‘spatial computing’. Instead of just sitting on top of an existing OS in a relatively passive way, the potential is now there for the device to integrate with software in a whole new way.
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I think there are many things that appear before their time, fade away and then get 're-invented' (or perhaps re-released) later on when other aspects of the world have caught up - either technical or social.
Tablet computers, touch-screen phones (or PDAs as they originally were), the internal combustion engine...
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Re: Apple Vision Pro

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Drew Stephenson wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:03 pm Well that will certainly bring the cost down, but for rehearsal you really need to be thinking round-trip latency. So that's A-D conversion at one end + processing / batching up in source computer + transit time + unpacking + D-A at the other PLUS the same thing in reverse.
If we assume 2ms for each bit of conversion and packaging, then you could do a round trip between York and London in 10ms.

Which would be definitely acceptable.

But if you tried the same thing with London to New York, then your transit time (assuming speed of light in fibre rather than a vacuum) is about 26ms, so your round trip would be 60ms.

Which would be unworkable.

This is the only case I can think of where musicians are negatively affected by the speed of light…
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Re: Apple Vision Pro

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Drew Stephenson wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:13 pm I think there are many things that appear before their time, fade away and then get 're-invented' (or perhaps re-released) later on when other aspects of the world have caught up - either technical or social.
Tablet computers, touch-screen phones (or PDAs as they originally were), the internal combustion engine...

The tablet computer example might be like this one - Microsoft brought out tablets well before Apple, but they just weren’t desirable.
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